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CHR. SIRACUSA: Our next testifier is Dean Au, representing the Hawaii Carpenter's Union, and he wishes to make a comment. DEAN AU (At this time Dean Au came forward, representing the Hawaii Carpenter's Union to address members of the Commission.) MR. AU: Hello Commissioners, my name is Dean Au, and I represent the Hawaii Carpenters Union. We have about 6,000 members in the State of Hawaii, of which about 600 of them reside on the Big Island. One comment I want to make is that, you know, I appreciate everything that all of you guys are doing. I, myself, am a Commissioner. I do know exactly what you guys are going through. So, first of all, I appreciate that. Second of all, I want to talk about the process. We have this process in our government that we are going through right now, and the most important part of it is community input. And we believe that is what you guys are doing. The community is coming in, giving you input, and you guys are making changes where it is needed. So, thank you very much for your time, and all of your effort. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you. MR. KAHUL Again, madam Chair, I have a question. I don't recall you at the meeting on November 22"d. Were you at the meeting on November 22"d� MR. AU: You know, I come to meetings here and there. I pop in here and there. I have been tracking this process for a long time, so I am aware of what is going on. I don't know if I was there or not. MR. KAHUL Okay. So we issued a Draft Final Plan. Are you in favor of that Final Draft Plan? MR. AU: I don't want to say I am in favor or not in favor, I just appreciate everything that you guys are doing, and I just want to make a comment on the process that we are going through, and that it is very important that you guys are taking in community input. MR. KAHUL Okay, thank you. MR. KANUHA: Madam Chair, just a question, real fast. Are we, with these testifiers, supposed to - - -Is it okay to be engaged with them, or in dialogue with them, or - - -I want to make sure we get the rules clear before - -- CHR. SIRACUSA: Well, it's not good to ask questions during public testimony. We are supposed to keep it to a minimum. Basically, we are only supposed to ask if we need clarification; if we are not sure if somebody is saying they are for something or against something, or if they have sort of wandered off on a tangent and we are not really sure what they are saying and we want to ask them to be a little more clear. We are not supposed to engage. R