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for 10 years. So, the small portion of Kea` au, and for Puna, now to be able to get what they wanted, I think that is very reasonable. So that is my opinion, thank you. CHR. SIRACUSA: Puna already gave up its mauka /makai orientation, which was the preferable configuration, but that was because we couldn't get it to work because we were honoring Paradise Park's request not to divide them; if we could have divided Paradise Park, no problem. So, is the Commission now saying that you do not want the Weatherford plan? If that is the case, maybe someone should make a motion about that, one way or another, and we know what we move on to. MR. KANUHA: Well, Madam Chair, our original plan wasn't the Weatherford Plan. CHR. SIRACUSA: No, it wasn't. MR. KANUHA : That was just a testimony. CHR. SIRACUSA: So, should we go back to what we titled Untitled.plan and take a look at that again and see how it handles Kea` au? MR. MIDDLESWORTH: There might be a way to make a change in Pahoa on that plan if we look at it. So let's take a look and see. CHR. SIRACUSA: There were 178 people that would have to come out of District 4 and go into 5 and that would have increased the numbers in 5 to be too many by about 30 or so. By itself, just to change to change the Pahoa line from the middle of the town to the bypass would not have been practical unless some other tweaking was done elsewhere. While we are at it, Mike could you come up please, and answer a question? MICHAEL UDOVIC (At this time Mike Udovic, Deputy Corporation Counsel, came forward to address members of the Commission.) CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you. Jeff has been making a case for the criterion in the Ordinance that we go for the allowance for growth, and that Puna should not be maxed out on its numbers. Can we be - - -Are we in trouble if we max out the numbers of the two Puna districts based on the criteria that Jeff was reading? MR. UDOVIC: I think that is kind of an unfair question because, quite frankly, as long as you don't deviate from the 4.99% and you have reasons for making your decision, then it's acceptable, quite frankly. And a lot of the testimony you have heard, quite frankly, has been that you want to keep communities contiguous, and that kind of thing. It is also wise to be mindful of all the criteria, including the population deviance. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you. MR. UDOVIC: If I answered your question. 22