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hold that against them. You can’t tell them they can only have not such good music. You know what I <br />mean? But the reason is, is you’re not going around and looking at a billboard or a poster saying Sons <br />of Hawaii, Sons of Hawaii, that’s why you’re coming. No, it’s not that. It’s about the cause, it’s about <br />the fundraising activity, or it’s about the dinner, and you might actually be inclined to see on there that <br />the Sons of Hawaii are there. <br /> <br />ONO: Okay. <br /> <br />KERN: And that is to me a major difference with the way that this was marketed. I think if it was <br />marketed differently we might not be sitting here in this situation. I mean it just looks, to me that looks <br />like a concert. And if you’re going to give a portion of your money to, you know, a 501(C)(3) it’s so <br />hard to keep track of that from an administrative standpoint. And just because you give part of your <br />money away doesn’t mean it’s not a concert. <br /> <br />ONO: I have another question. <br /> <br />KERN: Commissioner Ono. <br /> <br />ONO: When you do a fund-raiser, I guess when I’ve been involved with fund-raisers, anything outside <br />of expenses is donated to the charitable organization. So I don’t understand 20 percent. <br /> <br />KERN: That’s why we’re not dealing with that. <br /> <br />ONO: Oh, okay. Thank you. <br /> <br />KERN: You’re welcome. Any other discussion? Yeah, I just want to add that I think it’s important <br />that we keep that they be allowable to have some music events in there. I think it’s good for the energy <br />of any fund-raiser. I think it’s good for people when they’re donating money. I think it does help <br />people get there. It just should not be the primary reason. And that was my intention when I voted yes <br />on this, that the primary reason was not to have a big concert and it was not going to be billed as a <br />concert, that it was not going to look like a concert, that there would be music there while other things <br />were going on, that the other things were the primary, the cause or, you know, the foundation or the <br />goodwill of people who were going there to do. And just as the applicant’s representative said on the <br />record last time that “I believe my statement was that if the concert was ‘the event,’ if the music was <br />‘the event’, as opposed to people playing after a dinner or playing in conjunction with a roping,” then <br />they wouldn’t consider that a concert, if it was in conjunction with. But when the music becomes the <br />event which is the marketing piece of this that we’re working on here it seems that that is indeed the <br />case. So it’s a real, I understand why the applicant is in here trying to get a declaratory ruling on this <br />cause it’s a challenging situation. <br /> <br />AU: I -. <br /> <br />KERN: Commissioner Ono, I mean, Au. Sorry. <br /> <br />AU: I’d like to hear what Mr. Higgins and Ms. Frederick would like, would think about our <br />discussion. You know, where -. <br />20 <br /> EXHIBIT A <br /> <br /> <br />