2011-06-02 WINDWARD TRANSCRIPT 1ST CHURCH

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LEITHEAD TODD: I’m just, kind of where I’m going here is if you have, and this has been the criticism from members of the public who have come forward to testify on previous applications, is that if the 20-acre parcels where you designate certain activities are owned by or controlled by entities that are not moving forward to do anything with those parcels, so if the ones owned by the Watamulls, if the Watamulls are not developing their parcels for commercial or industrial uses, if the Association which I think those parcels are supposed to be for, I think for park purposes, the ones that are owned by the Association, if the Association isn’t doing anything with those parcels then you end up having a demand from the community and other people within that subdivision to provide those needs for the community, because it’s not happening where the plan says it’s supposed to happen. The other concern I have, which I don’t know that we need to get into today, is that you have to have, you know, some reasonable opportunity for people to establish religious centers, and we have to treat them equally as any other application. And in this case what you have is a piece of property that has an existing permit that runs with the land, albeit it says Monday to Friday and they’re talking Sunday. But to me if you were looking at putting something it would seem to be better to put in on a parcel that already has an existing permit, already has some existing facilities on it, rather than taking another parcel that hasn’t been utilized before. I’m just, you know, kind of thinking that. And I know that it might not exactly fit the master plan, but this is something that already has a permit, and a permit that goes back to 1981, as well as already having a facility on it they’re asking to expand. But you had some, mentioned that you said, did I hear correctly that a one-acre parcel was insufficient area for a church? Did I hear that correctly? REILLING: Not necessarily insufficient, except when you add the parking you’re getting awfully close to other properties. And, you know, you’re encroaching, if not physically, you’re encroaching noise wise just as the lady that was here on the one up Waimea. So it’s just something that they need enough space for their parking and not to disturb the neighborhood with it. LEITHEAD TODD: You are aware that agriculturally zoned lots could have bulldozers and tractors and husking materials and other agricultural type noises which are allowed at a higher rate than you would have in residential? REILLING: Yes. LEITHEAD TODD: Okay. REILLING: Just one quick question that I had though, you said that all of these applications run five years? No? LEITHEAD TODD: No, the recent ones that we’ve done have time limits. REILLING: Okay. LEITHEAD TODD: But the earlier ones that were granted many years ago run with the land and do not have an expiration date. 9 EXHIBIT B