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<br />MOOERS: And you can see the area here there is more rubble out there. But as you go out, then <br />the shoreline varies, but it goes up pretty much to the wall. But those walls are considered legal <br />nonconforming walls. <br /> <br />GIFFIN: Commissioners, any other questions of Greg? If I understood the condition correctly, <br />Maija, it would be not to linger as they are traversing; it’s to traverse, right, the width of -. <br /> <br />COTTLE: That’s correct. <br /> <br />GIFFIN: Mrs. Scharpf’s property. So we are not saying that we are going to encourage or want <br />people to linger or -. <br /> <br />COTTLE: Quite the contrary. <br /> <br />GIFFIN: Right. <br /> <br />COTTLE: We just want it to be a means for people to get to dry land -. <br /> <br />GIFFIN: To the access. <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Can you go back to Condition 3? <br /> <br />COTTLE: Yes. <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Mr. Vitousek, you were suggesting that there be language that’s saying six <br />feet mauka of the seawall. <br /> <br />VITOUSEK: Yes, so what I was suggesting was -. <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Can you use the mike, please. <br /> <br />VITOUSEK: Oh, I’m sorry. <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: It’s for our recorder. <br /> <br />VITOUSEK: I’m sorry. Yeah, what I was suggesting was, let’s see, yeah, so what I was suggesting <br />is to say “pedestrian access six feet mauka of the seawall,” and then I was saying, here, I was saying <br />“and in areas where the wall establishes the certified shoreline.” And so it would be six feet mauka <br />of the shoreline and within areas that the wall establishes the shoreline. That was what I was <br />proposing. <br /> <br />GIFFIN: Bobby Jean, would this be a good time for me to call up the member of the public who -. <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Yeah. <br /> <br />GIFFIN: Has signed up to testify? So I’m going to ask that both of you please step back. And, <br />Robby, if you could come forward. <br />11 <br />EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />