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they ended up with 14 lots, but 13 of them were basically two-acre lots with one very large lot left.
<br />And the neighboring subdivisions who are on five-acre lots had some objection to that because they
<br />felt that it was increasing density in the area by going to the two-acre lots; however, you know, and
<br />I don’t want to debate that, but I’m saying that for some people, when they see the smaller lots next
<br />door, they do view it as increasing the density even though the total number of lots remains the
<br />same, because they want five-acre, they see two-acre next door, that they feel the guys have gotten
<br />around the zoning and haven’t had to rezone and got that. I think the biggest issue for a lot of
<br />people is transparency and whether they get notice, whether they get an opportunity to provide
<br />input. And most P.U.D.’s have not been contentious in all honesty; they have not been a huge
<br />problem for the community. So it’s just only one recently that that was an issue, and it had to do
<br />with five-acre two-acre, but it also had to do with whether the guy developing had rights to access
<br />the existing roads, whether there were other factors in the CDP; so it had a number of different
<br />issues. And I think that that had a lot to do with the impetus for Mr. Hoffmann’s bill was the
<br />particular P.U.D. where there was public outcry over the way it was handled. We had another
<br />P.U.D. where there was opposition to it, but the problem was that the opposition wasn’t to the
<br />P.U.D. or the layout; it was the neighboring community wanted a side agreement to get water from
<br />the developer, which had nothing to do with the P.U.D., but, you know, it came up in the context.
<br />So different issues get triggered in different areas. What we are trying to ultimately move to, I
<br />think, is a process where there is more public input, public opportunity, and whether it’s Bill 291 or
<br />an alternative bill that we subsequently propose, I think that that is the general direction that we are
<br />hearing from the public that they want an opportunity. And sometimes it’s that the lack of an
<br />opportunity bleats fear about what’s going to go on next door, and I think having those community
<br />meetings would probably be able to take care of a lot of the community’s concern. I think a lot of
<br />people, just that they don’t get their questions answered, so they don’t know what’s going on. And
<br />I think that we’ve evolved to a point where people want more opportunity, and I think that’s
<br />ultimately the direction that we’re going to end up going whether it’s this bill or another bill.
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<br />GIFFIN: Thank you. Commissioners, any questions of Roger Harris or of the Planning Director?
<br />Thank you. Thank you very much, both of you. Commissioners, I’d like to direct your attention to
<br />Page 3 of the background report that was passed out to you, in the last paragraph is the
<br />recommendation. And I know that all of us have heard enough reasons why, but I would like to
<br />either have some discussion on this recommendation or -. Director.
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<br />LEITHEAD TODD: Madam Chair, just one other thing. Maija, can you go back to the -. Just
<br />because we’ve got members of the public here, I want to explain something. You know where you
<br />had Ka‘iminani and you had the zoning – it actually was a prior, there was the Kalaoa one, and not
<br />this one. Because I think people might have been wondering what was going on, and I’m sorry, it
<br />really should have been brought up then; but I wanted to explain something to people because
<br />people were probably wondering how could that happen. Go back. There. You’ll notice that you
<br />have all that Ag-5 zoning, but you’ve basically got 10,000-square foot or 20,000-square foot lots;
<br />that goes back to a period of time when agriculturally zoned land in the State of Hawai‘i could be
<br />subdivided for residential lots without having to do rezoning, which is why -. I live on a
<br />10,000-square foot lot in Hilo that’s zoned Ag-20 acres. And these are all like 1960’s and 70’s
<br />subdivisions. So I just wanted to make sure that, you know, that was not a P.U.D., that was not
<br />some type of action of the Planning Department; this was, previously, they allowed this to occur,
<br />and so we have many subdivisions -. This is Ka‘iminani, and you’ll notice there is nobody that has
<br />a five-acre lot there, which is, it was approved that it was done because there was so much ag land
<br />and the State allowed this to occur. That’s no longer possible; you have to go and rezone the
<br />property, which is why you see RS10 for the Kalaoa property even though everybody else is Ag-5,
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