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<br />Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting <br />Minutes - May 13, 2013 <br />nothing – you know – it helps fix their problem with having <br />animals – and you guys get a place to go hunt – and it might <br />not be forever – it might be a five year agreement – but <br />that’s something – you know I see hunting as not – I mean <br />you’re not this mosaic of – sometimes you’re gonna have a <br />short term agreement – ideally you’d want to have in <br />perpetuity thing – but I think the way it’s gonna work best is if <br />you’re open to all of that. <br /> <br />P. Bueltmann: \[Unclear\] liability. Every licensed hunter has to find – his <br />license – on the back of that license it actually – all of the <br />agencies – whether it’s the federal, state – \[unclear\] involved <br />in that league – then there’s gonna be a waiver of <br />responsibility – \[unclear\] I mean for everybody and it goes <br />from grandpa to children being born twenty years from now. <br /> <br />J. Jokiel: Right. <br /> <br />P. Bueltmann: And it releases them of responsibility. So, um, there’s that <br />\[unclear\] if there are going to be individual permits to go <br />hunting – you know like we have – like Laupahoehoe <br />\[unclear\] on the weekends \[unclear\] like that – where you <br />might have people sign a lease \[unclear\] that would be good <br />for two years five years or whatever. <br /> <br />J. Jokiel: So, we have agreements with private landowners like on <br />Maui there’s Kaonoulu Ranch and it’s – we pay them like a <br />dollar an acre and that’s a public hunting area – so what I <br />can do is look into that agreement – ‘cause I have a copy of <br />that and maybe pose a question to the AG and say, you <br />know, is this landowner – is the owner of that ranch not <br />protected – ‘cause yeah – that opens up a lot of <br />opportunities – I think. But again, I don’t know the details – <br />but I think if we’re paying for it – I would hope that the <br />landowner assumes no liability – no State \[unclear\] – and <br />that the State does. <br /> <br />P. Bueltmann: And, in fact, not just the land owner - any property you cross <br />to get to that land owner – is also indemnified. <br /> <br />J. Jokiel: Right. <br /> <br />P. Bueltmann: And that’s one thing \[unclear\]. <br /> <br /> 24 <br /> <br />