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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2013-05-13 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Game Management Advisory Commission County of Hawaii Minutes Via Video Conference (Hilo-Kona) Meeting Date: May 13, 2013 Time: 6:30 p.m. Place: Hawaii County Building West Hawaii Civic Center Puna Conference Room Planning Department 25 Aupuni St., Suite 1501 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Hwy. Hilo HI 96720 Kailua-Kona HI 96740 CALL TO ORDER: At 6:30pm by Chair Anthony “Tony” Sylvester. Quorum established. ROLL CALL: Chair Sylvester asked members to introduce themselves and state their district. Dwayne “Ike” Yoshina, District 2 Paul Bueltmann, District 4 Willie-Joe Camara, District 1 Anthony Sylvester, District 3 Tom Lodge, District 5 Mark Bartell, District 8 Cleon Bailey, District 9 Rob White, District 7 ALSO PRESENT : Bobby Command, Mayor’s Executive Assistant Lincoln Ashida, Corporation Counsel Barbara Kossow, Commission Secretary GUEST: Glenn Ushijima a concerned citizen. Lisa Hadway, Forestry and Wildlife, Ron Fukushioshi \[unclear\], Kerri Marks, Occupy Hawaii, Marni Herkes and Jordan Jokiel DLNR Access Coordinator – DOFAR Branch. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF APRIL 16, 2013: Deferred. STATEMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: None present. 1 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 REPORTS OF SPECIAL COMMITTEES : 1. Presentation by DLNR access coordinator Jordan Jokiel J. Jokiel: I’d just like to thank you guys, for the opportunity to meet with you. I’ve actually been kind of waiting for this for a while – for you guys to get formed and formalized and I guess the reason I say that is because there’s a lot of hunters and a lot of different interests and it’s nice to kind of have one group that hopefully is a good kind of representative – with members that are representative of their various districts and their regional concerns; and, you know hunting is a very provincial thing – so it’s nice that you have people from all the different areas. I started this job – my position is the wildlife program access and acquisition coordinator – I started just a little over a year ago and it was a position that was started by my previous boss, Scott Fretz who’s moved on to a different job. I’ve got a pretty long history of working on the mountains. I lived on this island – I worked for the NARS program here – I worked with the watershed partnerships – I’ve worked for different places in different areas. This is actually a really different job for me, and I took the job because I think that it’s a really important job. So I’m \[unclear\] trying to improve and increase access – mostly for hunters – and honestly like I’ve worked for the State – so when we create public access – it generally has to be for the public – but there’s really an emphasis on trying – with this program – as I see it – to try to increase access for hunters to State lands that are public lands that are, you know, a lot of those places are places I know guys wanna hunt – you’ll go and hunt – places that you’ve lost opportunities to go hunt before. But, also, I think it’s really important to try and increase hunting opportunities in areas that aren’t managed by the State. So that might be land owned by Kamehameha Schools – land owned by Department of Hawaiian Homes – private lands – military lands. I do think that – and I’m just gonna be – I think the easiest way to be is just straight up, frank and honest with you guys. I’m sure there’s some apprehension from some of you guys because I work for the NARS program – but I think that actually positions me really well because I see the importance of conservation but I also really have come to see the importance of hunting, and I 2 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 think it’s really important, especially when we get into this - in a little bit – with compliance issues – it’s really important to be able to speak the language of some of the agencies that I think you guys have had trouble with in the past. And it’s nothing against any agency. It’s just, I think, it’s good to have some of those – some of that experience and some of those skills. I work statewide – I’m based on Maui. I’ve got projects from Kauai all the way down to Kau. And I’ve got a PowerPoint that really just - is kind of highlighting the Big Island projects that I’m working on, and again, this isn’t all the projects – all the hunting related projects that this branch is engaged in – it’s the project that I started taking on again in the last year or so. Started PowerPoint: OK. So, I think more than any of the other islands – you know land use has really changed throughout the State of Hawaii – it’s like most of the lands – a lot of lands that were here – Hamakua – Kau – were in sugar and I think there’s a lot of agreement that the communities – those local communities that exist around the plantations – a lot of agreements were accessing the forests – were with the plantations – and since the plantations have gone out – I think you guys were losing a lot of the access routes that you have – through the cane fields – and a lot of those agreements I’ve looked – find anything - very few things that I can find that are formal and in writing that say, “Yes, the public can access,” you know, “this piece of forest on this road.” And I think that’s a real problem for you guys because it doesn’t secure anything for you guys in the future. And a lot of that land now is for sale. You know there’s pictures like this – I’ve taken everywhere – throughout the State – especially, you know, on this island, on the Hamakua side – where a lot of the land is for sale – and what happens is – you the land – these big plantations have been sold – are subdivided – there’s a lot of new owners and those guys – don’t allow – those new owners don’t want to provide access across their lands. And you guys see it now – and I’ve driven up all of these roads that go mauka from the highway – between Hilo and Honokaa – and most of those roads – and you’ll see a picture of that – you see gates and no trespassing and I know that really jams you guys up because you’re not used to seeing that – you’re not used to being locked out. So, what I did was – one of the first things I did is – I went statewide through all the different islands – and I 3 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 talked to the wildlife program – and there’s wildlife program managers – and asked them, “OK. What kind of projects do you want me to work on?” And one of the things that they wanted me to work on here was going through the rec \[unclear\] map that you guys get – you know it’s a public document that says these are the hunting areas – and go drive some of those routes and see – try to confirm if those accesses are still around. So, I went with Joey Mello (Wildlife Biologist – East Hawaii) and a couple of other folks – and I apologize you can’t see this. And, I’m not sure if you can see that – so that’s a map of the east side of the Big Island – so the road that I drove up – I have my GPS – and that’s my GPS track line – and the forest reserves are all in yellow – and you can see – I’m sorry you guys can’t see this in Kona – but the blue line – which is basically the road – the road ends on almost all the cases before you get to the forest reserve – and almost every one of those roads ended in a gate. And there was – sometimes one property owner between the road and the forest reserve – and sometimes there were multiple property owners. So the challenge is trying to figure out if there are any legal agreements – which I’m having trouble finding – and then also trying to figure out if we can work out agreements with some of those land owners – to get access across… Ok. So this is an example – this is the road that goes up to Kaiwiki – the purple line on this – on the right side – is the road – the red lines are the tax map keys – so those are all private parcels – where the road ends is that kind of red outline – you can see – it’s multiple – there’s multiple private properties between the end of the road and the forest reserve – and that - I think - is a big problem for trying to get public access. Again this is just another map – this is the road that’s by - I don’t know how you pronounce it – it’s Uma Uma or Umaumau \[sp?\] Road - \[unclear\] - it’s the same thing – the purple line is at the end of the road and there’s multiple properties before you get to the forest reserve. Same thing – Chin Chuck Road, Kolekole. Akaka Falls, … So, what we’re trying to do like – as much as possible – is try to look into each one of these different options. This is Laupahoehoe and I know there’s a Laupahoehoe Advisory 4 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Council that – Melvine and some of the other folks are a part of – and so this map just shows some of the properties that are adjacent to Laupahoehoe NAR – and I’ve not done too much research into this – I’m waiting for some more guidance from the Advisory Council on what access it would like me to pursue – but I just wanted to show that. Again – red is tax map key – the blue in this is Kamehameha Schools’ land – the orange is State lease land – and then the yellow is forest reserve and natural area reserve. And this is an example of one of those projects. So, this is the road – I was pronouncing it Kapakuea – I think you guys pronounce it – how do you pronounce that, Tony? Chair Sylvester: Kapukuea. \[Kapuakea?\] J. Jokiel: Kapukuea… So, this is one of those roads that ends one property away from the forest reserve – which is in yellow on this – so, I’ve been working with Debbie Chang – to try to get public access to that forest reserve from the end of the road. It turns out that the property owner – her name is Perkowski \[sp?\] she subdivided her lot and there’s a county ordinance that requires her to provide public access across that lot to the forest reserve – ‘cause she subdivided into six parcels – six or more parcels – the problem is that it was never marked in the field and that’s what the agreement is – it’s really unclear – like you can’t, you know, you can’t tell where the access goes – so I went up there – you know we \[unclear\] around with me, Joey (Mello), and some of the county guys that approved her subdivision – and we didn’t see anything in the field to say this is in fact a public access and you know it calls for a fifty foot wide easement and you know it would need quite a bit of work to do it – but – which isn’t the problem – the problem is we don’t know where it is. Ah, we have the meets and bounds - so we have like the surveyor data that says this is where it is – so what we want to do – I’m asking for money for next year to pay for a marking of that – of the public access. So, this is that – this is again Kapukaea \[sp?\] – the forest reserve is on the upper left corner – there’s four properties that come together – blue line at the end of the road – the purple line is our track line – where we wandered around looking for the public access – we didn’t find anything. You know, it’s really unfortunate because – you know, I mean, it’s a good idea, I think, for Hawaii County to have that ordinance – and maybe all the counties do – but it’s a really good requirement – I think we’ve – we gotta – you know make sure that any public 5 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 access agreement does try, you know, to make an effort to mark in the field where this access is – so we know. B. Command: Is that pasture land? J. Jokiel: On the road up – there’s pasture land on both sides. And then there’s a forested parcel that’s not developed at all – that’s – you can’t see it but her name is Perkowski – and that’s pretty heavily forested with eucalyptus, bamboo and waiwi. And it’s just about – it’s just a couple hundred meters – maybe a half mile at the most – through her parcel to the forest reserve – the forest reserve abuts Finance Factors – a Finance Factors parcel – which is really, really huge too – and there’s nothing going on their either. B. Command: And there’s no existing road there, is there? J. Jokiel: No. There’s an existing road that goes through the parcel but it does not go where the public access is identified on the access agreement. I think it’s called a public access plan. And I can send that to you Bobby \[Command\], if you want. So, this is just one of a thousand challenges that we come up against when we try to create public access. So, again, I think the State – and I’ve got to work with Lisa Hadway on this to see if – you know – how aggressive they’ll follow through forward with, you know, opening this access up – ‘cause it needs – you know – whatever – cutting a trail or marking a trail – potentially clearing a parking area ‘cause there’s no parking area at the end of the road – But that does cost some money but, you know, I think that’s - those are manageable problems…The red lines are the property boundaries. Not a road or anything. And the public access plan basically identifies from the end of the blue line on this map…which is the road – there’s kind of this hand drawn route that goes kind of where we wander around right to what looks like the corner of Finance Factors and the forest reserve. So, that’s one of the projects – I’m trying to go around – kind of - the islands by region. This is further north for the people in here – there’s two parcels – and I don’t have a pointer – I apologize – but I know one of the things we talked about Willy-Joe \[Camara\] is - a little while ago is – you know – there’s – people want to get access to small forests – the small forest is on the right side – there’s kind of a…you guys know where it is. So, that forest reserve is not a huge place – but it does sound like 6 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 people have an interest in getting in there. The problem is, I guess, it’s hard to get to – people – I know people from the community have their way of getting in and that’s fine – I think that’s great – but I’ve heard that you guys want, you know, there’s been a desire to secure that access – so the parcel straight north - is straight makai of that – is actually a State parcel that’s called unencumbered land – so the Land Division – not Forestry and Wildlife – is managing that – so I talked to Land Division – and they’re going to lease that parcel out. It’s a big parcel – it’s a thousand acres – but we’re asking Land Division – as a requirement of their lease – to the person who’s going to lease that – is that there is a public access from the highway across the parcel to small forest. So, hopefully, that goes well. And then, to the left of that - is a piece – another shaded piece – and that’s a piece of Hamakua Forest Reserve – and I went up there a year ago and tried to find access – same thing – ran into gates – but it turns out – I think back in March – Steve Bergfeld the forestry manager – and Joey Mello did find a legal public access that goes kind of to the – a little bit right of center of that parcel – so that should be – and there’s a sign there now, I think, that says, “Forrest Reserve” right on the boundary. So, I don’t know if there’s any other improvements that are needed there – like parking area or anything like that – but that is a legal way for you guys to get to that forest and hunt. ? Top of the Antone De Luz Road? J. Jokiel: Yeah, and there’s a fork… We went up the right fork and I guess… ?: Uh, huh… J. Jokiel: ….the left fork is… ?: Right. J. Jokiel: ….that’s \[unclear\]. ?: Right. Right. Um… And the other side of that is Mealani experiment station. \[Unclear\] Um… Now that road that goes straight up to the left – \[unclear\] the fork… J. Jokiel: OK. 7 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 ?: The one that you’re talking about that goes all the way up – I know where you’re talking about there – I go up there all the time – and there’s that sign that goes all the way up there – so that is a legal – that is the legal \[unclear\]? J. Jokiel: OK. As you’re driving mauka – you’re staying on the right or the left? ?: \[Unclear\] past all the houses… J. Jokiel: So, you don’t turn left… So, I’m… ?: Stay to the left… Stay to the left J. Jokiel: OK. If it’s the same road I’m thinking – I’m not sure if that’s a public access road… ?: \[Unclear\] Road… J. Jokiel: Yeah. Straight up… ?: Instead of going to the right, you go straight up. J. Jokiel: I’m not sure if that’s a public access – I’ll ask out… ?: Where are you saying was the… J. Jokiel: I guess there’s a – there’s a turn – a left turn and Joey (Mello) said it’s like a right angle turn that’s lower down. And I don’t have it and I wasn’t with them when they did that – cause that’s – that’s \[unclear\]. ?: Oh! OK. Yeah, but that one’s gated off now, yeah. J. Jokiel: Apparently that gate is open. There’s a gate across the road and it should be unlocked. And, if it’s locked, then that’s a problem because that should be public. ?: OK. I’ll go check… J. Jokiel: Yeah, and let me know, because that should be public. And if that person is gonna continue to lock it – then we should figure out what to do here. ?: I’ll talk to you about that... 8 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 J. Jokiel: Yeah. Please let me know. So moving around the island – this is more kind of in the Saddle area – so you guys probably know Forestry has had a long standing lease with the Department of Hawaiian Homes – so the Kipuka Ainahou lease is actually a multiple parcel. It was five parcels of land – but it’s really only three that DOFA has an interest in. There was - that lease expired in 2012 – and for some reason they didn’t renew the lease and it went to a month-to- month revocable permit – so I worked with Joey (Mello) – we just got that extended for another 20 years – and so that should be an area that you guys have public – well – I got Roger to sign it – Roger Imoto – who is now the administrator in Forestry in Honolulu – he’s sending that up his chain of command – but I do hope that this isn’t something that we lose. And, you know, 20 years I’m pretty encouraged by that. This is in Kau – so Kau Forest Reserve is I think 60,000 acres or something like that – but I know access to the lower boundary – it’s kinda hard – so across the screen – straight below the center of the screen is the town of Naalehu. The blue lines on this map are two roads that are useable by the public – and you can get into – I think they call it Mountain House Road and then the road to the north is – the people down there call is Waterfall Road – it goes to an area called conservation – but there’s no access in between… And so we’ve worked with the private landowner and a guy named Galimba who leases the State pasture to get permission – to cross their land from a public road to access the lower – like three miles of the lower boundary of the Kau Forest Reserve – I’m actually having some guys surveying that as we speak. They’re done with all their field work. They just – and then again they have to have those boundaries and those roads surveyed so we can put all of that stuff into an official legal agreement – so that access is secured along that – the purple line is the lower – the lower boundary – the access road that we’re hoping to get and that’ll be, you know, an existing pass road – that you drive up to the forest across private land and along the whole boundary for about three miles to access the forest reserve. And I guess that’s one important point too is, you know, getting this surveyed and we’re putting together a formal agreement because I think that you need that just to make sure that you guys have these accesses into the future. What I hear statewide is – you have a hunting area but you don’t know how long you have it for so I think it’s really important on our part – 9 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 DOFA’s part to put the agreements in place so that it’s in writing and it spells it out and it’s a legally binding agreement. This is what it looks like – so to that purple line – this is looking – on the left side is the Kau Forest Reserve – on the right side is private land, as well as - in the distance - some State lease land. What we’re gonna do is take this whole fence and move it on the makai side of the pasture road ‘cause we can’t bulldoze any road that just takes too much compliance to do it. So, I’ve got the fence materials and the wire and the fence posts from a federal grant to move that whole fence makai of the road so you can drive up – you’re always staying above the fence – to get to the forest reserve – and that’s the only – ‘cause the landowner has wanted that condition in place – so that minimizes the potential for poaching, for vandalism – we’re gonna put a hog wire fence – so hopefully that minimizes, dogs or anyone else crossing into the pasture. One of the things, I took this shot so – ‘cause one of the landowners said, “Hey, you know, like we’re already getting vandalism down here.” So, there’s not even a public access – these guys rebuilt the section of fence and like a week later people were cutting their fence – so I took this shot in just – because it’s really important with the public access – I mean these guys do not have to provide this public access - so whatever we can do and whatever you guys can do as the hunting community to just – to help minimize vandalism – or anything else – I think will really help keep these accesses open to the public and to the community. A couple more slides – so this is the west side of the Big Island – so this is up Puuwaawaa – Puuaanahulu area in red. I’m not – I’m just starting to get involved in it. To me – this seems like a really good opportunity to have hunting on a large scale – and hopefully hunting for sheep. Again, all of the hunting that we do – all of our hunting programs – as you probably are well aware of now – know, we have to make sure we comply with the Federal Endangered Species Act, as well as our own State Endangered Species Act and other laws as they come into play – I do think we got a really good taste for having, a public hunting program – a long term public hunting program – out here – I think the people that are putting together this plan that you probably heard about – this HCP – this Habitat Conservation Plan – have done a really good job of identifying the things that need to be protected to comply with those laws – and my hope is that 10 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 we can work with Fish and Wildlife Service to create, again, a binding agreement or a long term agreement that secures hunting – you know on thousands of acres there – and hopefully that’s a good place for sheep – ‘cause I know it’s not just about areas, {unclear} species – so hopefully this is something that can happen. So, the last slide is – this is a picture of Keaaumoku – it’s highlighted in pink there – and I know you guys have been hearing about this – that’s a huge parcel that Parker Ranch used to own – or used to graze and now it’s owned outright – it’s not State land – it’s military owned land – it’s 24,000 acres – and so we’re hoping to get a long term hunting – I know there’s the short term hunting thing that’s been going on – you guys been – people have been going in there and hunting – I’m really interested in securing something long term – I wrote up an agreement – that I showed to the commander at PTA – it needs a bunch of revisions - we probably need to do a bunch more compliance work – and we need to figure who – if the commander isn’t that – the person that is authorized to sign off on it. But I hope we can get some kind of hunting on that parcel – because it’s – you know on Mauna Kea it has sheep – it has a number of different – you know – there’s a lot of opportunity for you guys there. So, that’s kind of the last slide. You know I just wanted to end by saying I know there’s a lot of emotion – and there’s a lot of passion and there’s a lot of history – and I know there’s been a lot of hard times – what I’m hoping to do – and this is just me personally and professionally – I really want to be able to focus on securing these areas and more areas. I’m super encouraged that, you know, Lisa Hadway is the District Manager – because we’ve already been talking about projects and how to move forward with getting some of these things done – and I think you guys have been looking at some of these same areas for years – and Puuwaawaa’s probably been about 10 years. And, so, I hope that we can move that quicker. That’s it, really… Any questions.. Chair Sylvester: Anyone has any questions? Mark… M. Bartell: What is it that this commission can do to help you? J. Jokiel: Well, I think there are a couple of things. I mean – and again this is just me speaking – I think for me - I think it’s good that you check in – you know at least with me – but maybe all 11 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 your managers that are responsible for moving this project forward – and make sure that there is an open dialogue – that, you know, like as a commission – it’s hard for a manager to deal with a thousand calls from a thousand hunters – but if this group is organized and you guys have concerns – then I think it’s fair enough that – for us as managers to expect to be able to be accountable to you guys. I think a two-way dialogue is really, really good. I guess one thing too, is I would ask – as much as possible – that you guys could keep this relationship very constructive – because that’s what’s gonna get this stuff done. So, I think you guys can do that – because I mean you are a County sanctioned group – and you’re organized. I think also – if there’s – you know - there’s a bunch of things I’d like to see changed. I’d like to see rules changed – I’d like to see, you know, people from out of State being charged more money – you know all of that stuff takes organized support from the community – I think that this commission can do that – like writing letters, showing up at the Leg – and saying, Yeah! You know, like let’s do whatever we can to \[unclear\] the hunting rules. I know sometimes it might take the Governor’s – and I’m not real clear on this – it might take the Governor’s signature to change the hunting rules – I think this time around I would love that – if that could somehow be streamlined and some decisions could be kept at a lower level and maybe that’s something that this commission could support. I think ideas for other areas, you know, you guys know people in the community – you know – again we can’t do everything that this group or any group of hunters want to do – but I think there’s a lot of good ideas – that I’ve heard statewide from the hunting community that I’ve not heard from other State people – so I think that’s really important as well… D. Yoshina: We’re talking about hunting but we’re also responsible for fishing, gathering, and I guess \[unclear\] but I guess \[unclear\]. So, you’ve spoken tonight quite eloquently about hunting and we’ve ah, I’m wondering about the fishing… J. Jokiel: Yeah, I know that’s a huge issue. And I’m really not focusing on that. Honestly, I think – in my mind – I think the Na Ala Hele Program – should be working on that because that’s – you know access is a really big issue – not that it’s not important to me – but I can’t – I’ve talked to Debbie Chang a little bit about some fishing access stuff but, I don’t know if I can take that on as much as this – and I’d love to if I can 12 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 start moving some of this stuff like off my desk and into – you know - real people on the ground dealing with access stuff – I apologize – I wish I could tell you more than that. ?: \[Unclear\] J. Jokiel: Yeah, I mean maybe Na Ala Hele… And I think Debbie Chang is a really big asset as well – I know most of you guys know her – she’s passionate about access – she helped start Na Ala Hele. So, some combination of the County and maybe Na Ala Hele. Chair Sylvester: Thank you so much. Are you going to stay? J. Jokiel: I can if you guys want me to – it’s up to you. If you don’t want me to… Chair Sylvester: Lincoln, we wanted to form a special committee so that we can meet with Jordan (Jokiel). Can we do that now, so that if he wants to go or do we need to wait for the new business? L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] Section one special committee? Chair Sylvester: Yes L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] Make sure you identify the members of the ad hoc committee and \[unclear\] state their responsibilities. Chair Sylvester: All right. Well, I move that we form a special committee \[unclear\]. L. Ashida: Cannot move you are the chair. Chair Sylvester: Okay. W. Camara: I’d like to make a motion to create a sub-committee for talking with Jordan (Jokiel) and – I want four of us on that committee… L. Ashida: Need to be more specific of the responsibilities \[unclear\]. W. Camara: It’s gonna be to correspond with Jordan on these issues – on the access… And, you know, bring instead of everybody just calling him – he’ll have a contact, you know, with the – with the committee. Is that all right? 13 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 ? Keep updated… W. Camara: Hopefully, to keep both of us updated, Jordan and the commission. ?: Because we have a large geographic… L. Ashida: Motion on the floor right now. We need to be seconded for discussion. ?: Second… ?: \[Unclear\] ?: \[Unclear\] with the four members – somebody from Hilo, Hamakua, maybe Mark (Bartell) and Cleon (Bailey) can participate – \[unclear\] we lost the guy in Kau, so… Chair Sylvester: Go ahead, Cleon (Bailey) C. Bailey: Before you went into discussion I was standing up – I just wanted that – make sure that – in the motion that Willie-Joe was making that he also includes the suggestions from Commissioner Ike (Dwayne Yoshina) – that that ad hoc committee would also look into talking to this Miss Debbie Chang – on public access to shoreline and to recreational ATV vehicles – that be included in this ad hoc committee. W. Camara: Ok. So, what now, I gotta re-do that whole motion? ?: \[Unclear\] ?: \[Laughs\] ?: \[Unclear\] want to do \[unclear\] motion now \[unclear\] should we try a second… ?: Oh, I second \[unclear\] just like to make one… L. Ashida: Withdraw your second – so withdraw your motion and start over again. \[unclear\] W. Camara Ok. I’ll withdraw the motion and start over. I move to create a sub-committee for correspondence with Jordan, Debbie Chang, um… \[Unclear\] and also to work on issues with 14 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 access – both hunting and fishing and also work on gathering and the \[unclear\] ATV issues. C. Bailey: I second it… Chair Sylvester: Discussion ?: I move that we adopt this motion. Or \[unclear\] L. Ashida: There cannot be a secondary motion. The primary motion has to be voted on \[unclear\] ?: I started \[unclear\]… ?: Call for the question. \[Unclear discussion\] L. Ashida: What is the specific – what is the purpose of this ad hoc committee? It cannot be just to “talk story” – there has to be a specific purpose and end product – that is what the Sunshine Law requires: what is the end product. That’s what the Sunshine Law requires – what is the end product that you’re seeking. W. Camara: The end product that I’m seeking is just so that Jordan knows who to – so that we have a contact – so that we’re not – you know – confused. So, maybe it’s nothing that we need to create. I don’t know, sorry, I’m a bit little lost. \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: There’s the formalities here but the end product should be these agreements – a solution agreements - so there’s the Puuwaawaa/Puuanahulu \[unclear\], Keaaumoku agreement - then we start working on any other agreements that may be coming up that possibly \[unclear\] this property \[unclear\] Finance Factors. \[Unclear\] we want to see the action happening. So I believe we’ll be working with Jordan and coming to getting these agreements actually accomplished. D. Yoshida: So, so, you would want to work with Jordan to establish – identify and establish a public access to… ?: \[Unclear\] leases… D. Yoshida: Access to these public lands… 15 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 ?: \[Unclear\] Yeah, \[unclear\] I don’t know if I should say anything - working with \[unclear\] on Keaaumoku, for example, \[unclear\] we’d like to see that come to fruition. ?: Yeah. ?: ….Puuwaawaa, Puuanahulu, are another two that HCP would like to see \[chuckles\] you know move along and \[unclear\]. ?: \[Unclear\] read it back, ‘cause that’s what gonna go on the record… ?: Oh, Barbara, can you read that motion back, please? ?: \[Laughs\] B. Kossow: Willie-Joe said was, “To create a sub-committee and \[unclear\] couldn’t hear everything – along with Jordan and Debbie Chang to work on issues to access hunting and fishing and also gathering and ATV issues. And it was seconded by Cleon Bailey. Chair Sylvester: Is that sufficient Lincoln? L. Ashida: Well there has to be an end result – it cannot just be \[unclear\] Sunshine – “talk story” – we have to have an agenda \[unclear\]. D. Yoshida: What I suggest is, we take the time between now and next meeting and come up with a good solid purpose and goal \[unclear\] so that \[unclear\] what Bailey has said, work on a draft that we can be proud of – because right now it sounds kind of \[unclear\]… ?: \[Unclear\] have Barbara… ?: \[Chuckles\] ?: But you cannot depend on her. We’re supposed to be \[unclear\]. J. Jokiel: If I can help, I’m glad to help put something like that together and send it to you guys. 16 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 W. Camara: So, Lincoln, you’re talking about like we need to say like to work with Jordan and Debbie so we can investigate access to the mountain, ocean for all recreation activities and secure access for \[unclear… ?: Access agreements… W. Camara: Access agreements – \[unclear\] you know, in a nutshell… ‘Cause that’s kind of what you want… L. Ashida: I’m trying to figure what you want to say… Chair Sylvester: Ok. At this point I’m going to say, I suggest we lay it on the table… W. Camara: Let’s hash this one out… L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] table, ‘cause laying it on the table means that we take it up later at the same meeting. It has to be deferred. W. Camara: Okay Chair Sylvester: Before out next meeting… L. Ashida: Move to defer it. Thank you. D. Yoshida: I move to defer. Chair Sylvester: Ike (Yoshida) moves to defer. P. Bueltmann: Second Chair Sylvester: Paul seconded. \[Unclear\] Moved to next meeting. Motion passed. 2. Status of request to release Big Island Game Management Plan B. Command: I sent a letter and I apologize for not knowing the exact date – to William Aila – it was emailed to him. I did not receive a response – and so we followed it up with a written letter th dated May 7 seeking a answer on whether or not he will release the Game Management Plan. Typically, we like to give an agency two weeks to respond – if that does not 17 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 happen – then I will talk to you, Tony (Sylvester), about the next step. Chair Sylvester: OK. Bobby. Is there any chance that we can request a copy of that email because we’re going to be meeting later with the Legislature. B. Command: What I can do is I can send you a copy of the letter and a copy of the email. Chair Sylvester: Thank you, Bobby (Command). Anything else on that? \[Pause\] Next is update… \[Unclear\] ?: Discussion on that. Chair Sylvester: Okay. ?: Now this is a public parking lot – this is \[unclear\]… ?: \[Chuckles\] ?: It took about a year and a half to complete and it involved members of the community – hunters and other people that were involved in this – it is a public parking lot – and the parking lot should be really for us and there’s no reason why the DLNR should withhold that parking lot from the \[unclear\] specific to the Big Island too. So, if, \[unclear\] not responding to this thing properly, are there any legal remedies from the County saying maybe we’d like to – you know, it has to be officially… L. Ashida: We can make a records request under the Information \[unclear\] and \[unclear\] they reject that we can ask the Office of Information Practices to intervene and they can decide what is called an in camera inspection – they can turn in whether – if you’re calling it a public document \[unclear\] – what you need - all documents that are under the control of the government are public documents – what you’re talking about is accessible to public viewing – that’s what you \[unclear\]… ?: Right… L. Ashida: So, the first step is what you’ve done – ask Bobby to follow- up – no response – you can make an OIP request… Let me know and I can take care of that… 18 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 ?: OK. Now, would you take another question or \[unclear\]. ?: These here are technicalities, right? ?: \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] Things that make \[unclear\]… ?: Yes. L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] In other words \[unclear\] delivered in draft form – I get the final \[unclear\] signed off on it. \[Unclear\] exception \[unclear\]. \[Unclear\] Probably, that’s the only part that comes to mind… ?: \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] ?: \[Unclear\] we need to ask for portions of that plan to be – because there are two things that are specific to – you don’t need the whole plan – but there are some things that are in that draft that would be helpful – rather than us doing it all over again. L. Ashida: Well, that’s part of the OIP request is to \[unclear\] they deny access to \[unclear\] release of the documents \[unclear\]… ?: Should we give you those portions that we’ve asked \[unclear\]? L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] D. Yoshida: So, how do we make that request? L. Ashida: I’ll take it…? D. Yoshida: Thank you. B. Command: Should somebody move to do that – to follow it up? L. Ashida: \[Unclear\], I can do it. B. Command: Ok. 19 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Any further discussion? Then move to the next item. - Special committee update on: 3. Update from the special committee on the Hawaii Visitor’s & Convention Bureau “Focus on Group Marketing” (Tom Lodge, Rob White, and Mark Bartell). T. Lodge: I talked to Stephanie Donoho at the \[unclear\] tourism. I think she’s with marketing here. She was pretty enthusiastic about, you know, trying to help us move forward with – primarily with marketing/hunting ah here and establishing some \[unclear\]. Parker Ranch also participated in that \[unclear\] because they would like to also help in promoting hunting here on the Big Island. She \[unclear\] the - which I did – I haven’t heard back from them – but the contact for Hawaii Forest Industry Association – they went through similar programs when they got started back in the late Eighties. They needed to establish some value for the forest industry here and she thought that we could get – learn some insight – or get some guidal \[sic\] insight as to how they went about getting credibility and now they’re a pretty well respected organization. So, we’ve made contact with them as well and I’ve emailed them – I haven’t been able to reach them by phone – so I’m just waiting back from them at the moment. That’s as far as I’ve gotten, so far. Chair Sylvester: Any discussion on that… M. Bartell: An update on my progress – I’ve worked with the charter captains or at least a handful of them at the harbor – had lots of discussions on the lack of visitors coming here to fish. They would tell me stories of ah – you know fishing thirty, forty, fifty, sixty days in a row and today I think a busy charter captain might get out a hundred days a year. And, they’re all pretty excited to actually work with us – in some shape or a form to actually promote the Kona Coast as a destination fishing opportunity. But, I mean people know it in the world – it’s just not a lot goes on to actually draw people in – and – so we’ve got some help from the captains there – I just need to follow-up with what Tom (Lodge) has done – and Tom – you and I need to probably talk – so get ‘em at the same time – on a way to actually I think – take advantage of the calm water and the big fish we have. 20 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Ok. Willie Joe W. Camara: I did talk with John Sabati and he did say that we need to contact him and he can give us some ways to look at also – and he is also - be willing to come and speak to us also. Or like media \[unclear\] type people…\[Unclear\] we just gotta let him know…\[unclear\] Chair Sylvester: Any further discussion? Next item - 4. Update on Hawaii Administrative Rule changes to Chapter 124. Chair Sylvester: Over the past few weeks I’ve been trying to work with the County Council – a few members – we have a specific request from our Ainaloa \[sp?\] Mauka Kumiai – which is basically our neighborhood association and what we concerned with – about this – some of these changes to HR 124 – is right now there’s a lot of people that are doing pig removal from people’s farms and yards and property and stuff like that – and it’s probably a question for DLNR but we were hoping that through the County Council – because we saw the community activity in our area – that these people are no longer gonna perform this task because they’re worried about some of the penalties that are associated if this rules pass – so we’re wondering what – if anything the County could do to maybe address some of these issues through the County Council to DLNR and specifically ask if this could actually affect pig trappers – ‘cause our full understanding – we don’t fully understand but – what may happen is – if I trap a pig that’s in my neighbor’s yard – can I take it and keep it in confinement somewhere else – or can I release it somewhere else – I think the old way was that you could release it to an area that already had pigs established. And I think that’s gonna change now where you can’t do that anymore – so, I know people that can trap a lot of pigs – and then after all - what do you start doing with them? And you start \[unclear\]. I don’t know \[unclear\]. I’ve been trying to get information back – I haven’t gotten anything back yet – so I wish I could be more thorough on that. But, as far as that – until I get a response back – I’m working with Richard Onishi – and ah Fresh Onishi on this right now – until I get a response back… That’s it with that. Any questions on that? 21 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 T. Lodge: I was wondering if maybe we could – I don’t know if this is the proper time to address Lisa (Hadway) - but to maybe \[unclear\] this is our issue and is there any way that before these things become violent that we can address these things here. You know, and see how that works. Chair Sylvester: Ok. B. Command: Discussion in Kona. C. Bailey: I agree with what you suggest – but that’s just one facet of this rule change – and there’s other issues in this HAR 124 rule change that needs to be addressed – I feel. If you look at the Ordinance 1210 and what our commission is tasked – I’ll read right from it – it basically says that we’re to advise the County, the State and the Federal agencies, you know, affect, you know, \[unclear\] wildlife including proposed rules – so that’s one of our tasks – and I’m just asking that – in getting our County Council – or maybe the Mayor’s Office to make a suggestion that this is what he hears from the commission that they’re hearing from the public – to include more issues on this 124 then this transporting pigs here. You know, we can refer this to a different meeting where we can itemize the issues – all the other different issues – that we would request say the Mayor’s Office or the County Council to address DLNR or the Board before they make this final decision on this rule change – that’s it. Chair Sylvester: OK, Cleon. Thank you, yes, I think that’s – we’ll probably have to pick that up on another meeting – but for sure – I’ve been trying to just focus on one issue – and see if I can get some results of that and difficult with just that particular issue, so… I wish I had better news. Thank you. Any other discussion on that? Ok. Next one is - 5. Report on KSBE and hunting opportunities. P. Bueltmann: Ok. I’ve been talking with a representative from KSBE – she’s Meilani Browning. I got her contact information from an RFP that was released earlier in the year for animal management on some other properties – so just to get it straight – you know – their property never gonna allow public access, you know, as far as hunting goes on their properties 22 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 – but I did find out that they do have a hui that is managing one of their properties – so what I’d like to do is, you know, see if we can develop some kind of framework – at least have the information available for the public – and if they were to form their own group or hui that they would be able to possibly manage one of their properties as far as game animals. T. Lodge: I believe that they have a hard-nosed parcel \[unclear\] - that was also leased out. There’s a group – the hui that has about 20,000 acres or 23,000 acres – and then there’s this other gentleman that’s from Honokaa who’s passed away – \[unclear\] these foreman were worried \[unclear\] - but they are going – that lease - I understand - is gonna be coming up for renewal – so somebody should be taking over – or will be looking at that. But that’s a private hunt thing… And, I don’t know that there’s anything that the public can \[unclear\]. ?: Yeah. \[Unclear\] If it’s possible that, you know, they have, you know, many more properties other than that – that not being happening on it right now. So, you know, if there’s a way that, you know, we could satisfy, you know, whatever legalistic requirements that they may have – yeah, we can get together with them and set up the framework of that. T. Lodge: Here’s the man right there. J. Jokiel: Should I talk? I’m not sure \[unclear\] phrased. Chair Sylvester: Lincoln may Jordan speak? L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] J. Jokiel: Well, I mean, I think that – could yeah - a bunch of land statewide – a lot of that land is here and one thing – and again I’ve got to, you know, talk to Lisa (Hadway) and her wildlife staff, but I mean, you know, I think when the State leases land from landowners – that takes that liability off of the landowner – so maybe that’s a possibility of, you know, trying to target a piece of land and especially if there’s nothing going on - on that piece of land right now anyway – it potentially – if there’s no liability – I don’t know the details of it – but it’s certainly worth looking into – if there’s no liability that Kamehameha Schools would encumber by leasing it out and they can look at it as a way of generating some revenue – I mean we don’t have much money but it’s more than 23 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 nothing – you know – it helps fix their problem with having animals – and you guys get a place to go hunt – and it might not be forever – it might be a five year agreement – but that’s something – you know I see hunting as not – I mean you’re not this mosaic of – sometimes you’re gonna have a short term agreement – ideally you’d want to have in perpetuity thing – but I think the way it’s gonna work best is if you’re open to all of that. P. Bueltmann: \[Unclear\] liability. Every licensed hunter has to find – his license – on the back of that license it actually – all of the agencies – whether it’s the federal, state – \[unclear\] involved in that league – then there’s gonna be a waiver of responsibility – \[unclear\] I mean for everybody and it goes from grandpa to children being born twenty years from now. J. Jokiel: Right. P. Bueltmann: And it releases them of responsibility. So, um, there’s that \[unclear\] if there are going to be individual permits to go hunting – you know like we have – like Laupahoehoe \[unclear\] on the weekends \[unclear\] like that – where you might have people sign a lease \[unclear\] that would be good for two years five years or whatever. J. Jokiel: So, we have agreements with private landowners like on Maui there’s Kaonoulu Ranch and it’s – we pay them like a dollar an acre and that’s a public hunting area – so what I can do is look into that agreement – ‘cause I have a copy of that and maybe pose a question to the AG and say, you know, is this landowner – is the owner of that ranch not protected – ‘cause yeah – that opens up a lot of opportunities – I think. But again, I don’t know the details – but I think if we’re paying for it – I would hope that the landowner assumes no liability – no State \[unclear\] – and that the State does. P. Bueltmann: And, in fact, not just the land owner - any property you cross to get to that land owner – is also indemnified. J. Jokiel: Right. P. Bueltmann: And that’s one thing \[unclear\]. 24 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 J. Jokiel: Right. And there’s actually a couple of statutes – \[unclear\] 520 and there’s another one 198D that helps indemnify landowners. P. Bueltmann: Thank you. J. Jokiel: Well, I’ll look into that. P. Bueltmann: I’m not too sure if I need to make a motion to form a sub- committee or not for this? Or, if I can continue to meet with them and have some kind of \[unclear\] potential end product. L. Ashida: You cannot act on that because it is not on the \[unclear\] agenda. P. Bueltmann: Ok. L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] meeting tonight – whatever things that you want to have on next month’s agenda – so we can really act on them – you should let Barbara know… P. Bueltmann: Right. L. Ashida: Actually the Chair authorizes the agenda but ah \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: Any further discussion - hearing none - New business NEW BUSINESS: 1. SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THE CONGRESSIONAL SPORTSMEN CAUCUS/FOUNDATION Chair Sylvester: Cleon! May I ask that you ah – I don’t think that we formed a special committee as far as our Congressional Sportsmen Caucus. Can you make a motion to do that and to get – the purpose is to specifically meet with our legislators to find out which ones would be interested in a Congressional Sportsmen Caucus/Foundation. And once we can establish who is willing to work with this – if they are – then we can take it from there. Obviously, if they’re not willing to work with us then no sense - we’ll just \[unclear\]. 25 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 C. Bailey: Yeah physically I can do that. Ah, I thought at the last meeting that we had – I made a motion already that we um… Chair Sylvester: You know, did you see it in the minutes? I don’t recall seeing it in the minutes. C. Bailey: No, um, well, off the top of my head I don’t remember seeing anything in the minutes. Um… Chair Sylvester: You know I can’t refer to it right now… C. Bailey: Is it something that you want to move forward until we’re sure that we’re gonna get participation by ah legislation – these entities we talked about or? Or, go ahead and move forward with the motion? Chair Sylvester: I would just move forward with the motion – to form a special committee – to meet specifically with our legislators – to find out which ones would be interested in supporting the caucus and at that point – if we get enough that is interested – then we can move ahead with the project – otherwise no sense we put the cart in front of the horse. C. Bailey: OK. I make a motion to the commission members that we form an ad hoc committee – you know - it could be two or more commissioners – to coordinate with the legislative body to see if they’d be interested in forming a representative body for the Congressional Sportsmen Caucus. Can specifically through the Congressional Sportsmen Foundation – which is the go-between – between us, the people, the public – and the legislators. And this committee – the goal of this committee could be defined – which – if there are any legislators – ‘cause it’s a bi-partisan type mechanism – you know – would be interested in making this come into fruition. Chair Sylvester: Lincoln – is that \[unclear\]. ?: \[Chuckles\] L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] ?: New Business… ?: \[Unclear\] under reports the last time – so… 26 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 L. Ashida: Just have Barbara read it back… Chair Sylvester: Barbara, could you read that back please… B. Kossow: Cleon’s motion is to form a special Congressional Caucus committee – to form an ad hoc committee with two or more commissioners to coordinate with the Legislature’s representative – on a bi-partisan basis – and I didn’t get all of it, Cleon… C. Bailey: OK. I do see in the minutes, though, that I moved to organize this national assembly of Sportsmen Caucus – and… L. Ashida: You can refer to items in the minutes you just can’t \[unclear\]… C. Bailey: Yeah… Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] but there – where did the motion go and the minutes is not on the agenda… C. Bailey: It was seconded by Paul – and I know it was voted on. L. Ashida: You can refer to items in this minutes but \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: If he saying we did it – then – so we didn’t select the members to do that… That’s why I’m trying to define – do we have to do it again? \[Chuckles\] C. Bailey: \[Unclear\] OK. Chair Sylvester: Or \[unclear\] if we did it – but nobody… C. Bailey: That’s fine then – that’s fine then… I motion that the commission form an ad hoc committee with two or more members - to move forward with this National Sportsmen Caucus – in seeking legislative representatives that would be interested in participating in it. And the goal will be: that we have a Hawaii State representative that’s in the Congressional Sportsmen Caucus. W. Camara: I second that… 27 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Chair Sylvester: OK, it’s been moved and seconded… \[Unclear\] that motion… OK, discussion – debate on the motion and pick who will be on that special committee or ad hoc committee. L. Ashida: You pass the motion first \[unclear\]. Then the second motion can be then selected. Chair Sylvester: Ok. We’ll vote again. Ok. L. Ashida: So, the motion is proper. Chair Sylvester: Oh, Ok. All those in favor of said motion say “I”… Group: All say “I” Chair Sylvester: Any opposed? \[Pause\] Ok, then we have eight “I” and no “no’s.” \[Unclear\] discussion and debate part. Who wants to be on that ad hoc committee? B. Command: Tony, who seconded that motion? W. Camara: I did – Willie. B. Command: OK. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Takers? C. Bailey: I’ll be one – District 9. ?: \[Unclear\] M. Bartell: This is Mark (Bartell) – District 8 – I’ll help Cleon (Bailey). Chair Sylvester: Ok, we have Cleon (Bailey), Mark (Bartell), Tom (Lodge) and Tony (Sylvester). Ok, anymore discussion? \[Pause\] Do I need to read the motion again? B. Command: No, we’re good… Chair Sylvester: Rob White – 28 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 2. DEVELOP A VALUE SYSTEM FOR OUR GAME R. White: Ok. Hi, this is Rob White. Listening to Lincoln – I’m going to have a little bit of trouble making a motion on this one – to make an ad hoc committee only because – I’m not exactly sure how to put into words the end result so… So, I may ask for commission members to help me on that one, if that’s possible. But, maybe I could read what I have written here and then after that open it up and some discussion and then make a motion after that? Is that appropriate? Chair Sylvester: No, go ahead, go ahead. R. White: Ok, all right. Forgive me – this is actually a very rough draft… \[Chuckles\] Ah, so this is the best I can do with the time that I had but – it’s titled as The Value of Hawaii’s Hunting Tradition. 2013 – the “I” generation – using Smart Phones to email, text and search the world-wide web – technology has reached far more than fits into the palm of our hands. Smart cars – that talk to us; spacecrafts landing and researching other planets; and even microscopic machines that can re-build human tissue. Though, some technologies have not helped at all – they are actually killing people – a lot of people everyday. Due to many far reaching economic and political reasons – chemicals introduced into every facet of our daily lives are killing us and we may not even know it. Hormones, sodium lauryl sulfate, benzene, fluoride, isopropyl alcohol – some of these names sound familiar to you – some of them may not – and many more cause anything from cancer to deformations to blindness and inevitable slow death. These problems have been known for long enough – that many people are making efforts to use chemical-free lotions, cleaners, foods and other everyday products. But there’s a problem – they are hard to make and expensive. So what am I getting at? What does this all mean – it means everything we do – everyday has far reaching economic and political effects. It also means the big businesses and the politicians understand monetary and political solutions – not what is right or wrong – not what should be owed or should be given. We need factual, hard evidence, money and political backing and huge public support to procure our goals and objectives as GMAC. For the sake of economic argument, I believe we need to be able to present economic evidence as to how and why hunting in Hawaii is or has value. We need to show the 29 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 health connection to hunting. From exercise to hormone and chemical free food – we need to show how Hawaii’s economy can benefit from proper game management like trophy hunting, sales of pelts and animal parts, perhaps, guided hunts, licensing fees outside the island of Hawaii or outside the State of Hawaii – lodging and food, transportation, scenic vistas, unique landscapes, so on and so on - sales of processed meats and jobs created therein of all endeavors. As hunters we are naturally respectful of the land and animals, therefore it would be unnatural and unusual for us, the hunters, to think of our resources, perhaps, in a numerical and economic value. We need to think outside the box – the box of morals and ethics – into the box of economics and politics. With the aid of a sub- committee I would like to break open this box of new and even profound thinking of how to save our local resources and way of life and help Hawaii’s economy and workforce – enhance education – which is underlined a whole bunch of times – and put the power of decision making back into the hands of the people – which is underlined a few times. A wise man once said – actually JFK said it – “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,” and I will add to that – the country of Hawaii. That’s it. So… The first thing I’d like to request is well largely I will reiterate um… With the sub-committee – I would like the sub-committee to be able to brainstorm ideas that may have been talked about already and failed – or have never been talked about inside the box – what I mean by that is what is comprehendible by our current situations – but also maybe thinking forward – again outside the box of the perimeters – I’m not sure how to word the end result, though, because this is sort of – I guess so outside the box even for me in the thinking of where it’s going – I don’t know exactly how to word where it would end. Any help from any members? Chair Sylvester: Ok. Open for discussion. Ok, questions? Tom (Lodge) T. Lodge: There’s no move right now in the State called sustainability – I believe it is – where they’re talking about making sure that the people of Hawaii have our own resources available for itself and these resources are – what they’re talking about are focused on commercial resources and they’re not focused at all on any of our natural resources – whether they’re introduced or whatever – and \[tape gap\] \[unclear\] natural resources – that’s why they’re brought here for one thing. But, what we need to do – and Bobby – now you were 30 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 talking about – I’ll be \[unclear\] develop ways to outreach to the community but we need to – on this issue of resources – and one of the things was having resources in our forest is that everybody will have access \[tape gap\] forest \[unclear\] those who can afford to pay these exorbitant prices to these natural farms and so forth – and friends of mine run some of these farms and \[unclear\] not cheap – and if we have these economic hard times here – people are going to be relying more and more on the forest – like they are right now – in our other areas – our hunting areas and what have you – we need to be able to educate the public as to what we’re talking about and we need to be able to promote it – and we need to be able to promote the benefits of our natural resources – and when we talk about natural resources – we’re talking about things that we can grow ourselves – but it’s all \[unclear\] game animal – you know need to be protected and that’s of the things you could do first I think is to promote that. Educate the public as well. So, I agree. This is something – it’s our forest resources that are important to accommodate the people here. M. Bartell: Another thought on the topic is – there – I’m sure there’s other states that have done this. Right? I think, rather than starting from scratch – if we got a hold of Alaska or Arizona or Montana and I’m sure some of us have contacts - so what is the value in elk, a deer, a bear, a fish – a whatever – or the number of people hunting – I’m sure there’s a value method that they use… ?: There is… M. Bartell: There is? So, maybe having that to begin with would be a good starting point before we get really wild and…you know… Chair Sylvester: I think that’s an excellent idea, Mark. I have Tom and will go back to Rob. T. Lodge: We have, we started an article about Hawaiian hunting – and that article is being followed up with a second one. And, what I’ve done is I’ve gone to states that I’ve gone hunting in – and Tony – the other night – asked me a question about New Mexico and Texas. Mainly when I go bear hunting – I ask the fish and wildlife department there – what is the economics of just bear hunting and 400 million dollars a year? It’s down a little bit right now - but that’s been their 31 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 average. So there is a tremendous amount of money that can pour in – and that \[unclear\] they have moose and other hunting as well – so there’s a lot of economic that goes into this – Texas and New Mexico – we’re talking millions and millions of dollars to these various states. And people coming from out-of-state - as well as - you know having access in the state – so interesting to see what happened to Colorado this year… Chair Sylvester: Hey, Rob? R. White: I just wanted to ask you guys that were willing to speak up – and those that haven’t – my original question – which is – so I could make a motion for the sub-committee – is if we can come up with what would be the ultimate goal – how would we word it? Chair Sylvester: I think for now, Rob, what maybe we should focus is like what Mark said - maybe if you could stay in contact – try to find out a little bit more from some other states – you know however they doing that – how they’re deeming value to their game and so forth – and then maybe \[unclear\]… T. Lodge: \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: And then maybe if you put some of that together… D. Yoshina: \[Unclear\] Do you know what we have done? T. Lodge: What the values are here? D. Yoshina: I mean has – for example – has \[unclear\] done anything or has DLNR done anything? T. Lodge: No, they have no – that’s one of the reasons why we need the game management plan – we need to have \[unclear\] evaluate – what we do have – what resources do we have here… How much game do we have… We don’t even know how much game there is in places… A lot of it is estimates - we need to have figures so we can then \[unclear\]… ?: So, Tony, I have something to add to that… Thank you. Ah, right here I have the – and it’s kind of the County packet question – but then I’m gonna add to that – but it’s the Hawaii County Food Self-Sufficiency Score Card – you can look at that up on line – and they make an attempt to kind of 32 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 address – although hunting is mentioned – like wild pigs and other game animals account for an estimated 400 thousand pounds of meat annually – this is an informal food supply here on the Big Island – and they go into ocean resources – subsistent hunting – and honey bees – most of the focus – as far as – is on ocean resources – obviously - there’s no real mention of sustained – subsistent for hunting, yeah. And they go a little bit into beef. But it says here – it also summarizes available hunting data and trying to define the volume of meat taken from the forest – mauka lands – to support the food needs of local families. Ah… And then there’s the Hawaii County food self-sufficient baseline – that’s twenty-twelve – prepared for Hawaii County Department of Research and Development by the University of Hawaii in Hilo – Geography and Environmental Studies Department – Island Planning and the \[unclear\] Jeffrey Melrose – which I know – good guy. And then they have a hundred actions to increase food on the self-sufficiency – which I thought that was a really neat part of that whole article – it’s a long article – I just kind of high-lighted a few points on here, but – they don’t really specifically say how hunting contributes to this plan – but it is listed in there. So there’s some – and apparently they’re going to try to form a \[unclear\] statewide sufficiency scorecard, yeah? Because the State hasn’t done it yet – so but the counties – I don’t know if the other counties have done it by counties – but it’s something to check also – to see if other counties have done that. So maybe Rob – maybe, you know, putting something together like that \[unclear\] before we go ahead and try to form a special committee – maybe try to find out if Maui has one – Kauai – and so forth… ?: Unless… T. Lodge: \[Unclear\] when I talked to Mrs. Donoho – her suggestion was – and I haven’t had the opportunity to do that yet – is to go to the University and see if they could do a project on, you know, hunting – what would be the value – economic value. \[Unclear\] but that’s – that would be another \[unclear\] \[disturbance with other conversation and noise\]. ?: So Jordan – so there’s this guy who runs a lab – he’s a professor at UH Manoa – and he – we met with him – Forestry has met with him – Wildlife Program met with him last week and actually he had kind of list of some project ideas – and I think this is kind of essentially one of those 33 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 ideas – is what is the economics of game and maybe – I’ll look at it – but – and I’ll take a look at that document and give it to you guys – but is was something getting at what are the economic value of either game or a game program or the value of hunting something like that – and it was one of the projects that he was actually interested in looking at – so he’s based in UH Manoa – but he can put people \[unclear\] kind of anywhere – so – anyway I don’t know the details but it just kind of is – it sounds like… ?: What is his name? ?: Chris… ?: What do you call his last name? ?: ….Lepczyk… Something like that… Le… I’ll get the spelling – if I can… L-e –p – c –y - k or something like that… \[Unclear\] with a bulleted list of projects – ‘cause that was one of ‘em – something like that – if I’m understanding you guys correctly. ?: What department is he in? ?: You know what I think he’s actually in the Department of… ?: Economics or something… ?: No, no, no, he’s not… ?: \[Unclear\] ?: No, no, no - he’s in like agriculture or something – so he’s not in natural resources – he’s not in botany – so that speaks more of the economics that you guys are looking at… B. Command: Yeah, he’s probably in CTAHR, ah? ?: Yeah, he’s affiliated with CTAHR but – but… Yeah, and I can find out – got to remember that… Chair Sylvester: Rob, if you’re comfortable in making the motion for that now – otherwise I suggest that maybe you get a little more information and then maybe next meeting and you can make the proper motion – unless you guys want to attempt to do it now? And, I’ll leave that up to you… 34 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 R. White: Ah, either way. Um… I don’t want to be a burden – but I thought they – I thought the whole purpose of us with these sub-committees was to, you know, help and help gather that type of information that you just requested that I gather – which I can do – but I thought that was the whole purpose of the sub-committee. Um, Mark had a good suggestion as far as defining the ultimate goal – so maybe we could move forward and make a motion with the ultimate goal being trying to define the value of the – or each – animal that we hunt here on the Big Island. So, I think, Lincoln (Ashida), if that would work – that sounds pretty good to me, I think… L. Ashida: Can’t make a motion… Not on the agenda… ?: \[Group discussion unclear\] ?: It needs to be on the agenda… Chair Sylvester: Yeah, he just has to develop a value system for our game – that’s required. ?: \[Unclear\] just more information. ?: \[Unclear\] specifically say formation of \[unclear\]. \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: All right, Rob, so go ahead. It’s recommended we do that for the next meeting… It’s a matter of the wording of \[unclear\] develop a value \[unclear\] a special committee, ah? \[Unclear\] R. White: Yeah, that’s fine… I understand the terminology and everything needs to be correct – so between now and then I will definitely have increased my knowledge base to come back with to you all with some more info. 3. MAUNA KEA SHEEP ERADICATION – WANTON WASTE LAW – SHEEP SALVAGE Chair Sylvester: That’s a multiple \[unclear\]. You don’t have to make a motion to do anything just to \[unclear\]…talk about that, but… W. Camara: Ah… Talk about as far as what? \[Unclear\] 35 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Chair Sylvester: A little bit about the sheep eradication efforts – we didn’t get to talk about it at the last meeting – Cleon wanted to kinda know an update – what numbers were taken – what \[unclear\]…how to improve sheep salvage… W. Camara: As far as the numbers that I got was – recorded 779 sheep were eradicated – were killed. I did not get a number on the salvage – on how many it was – but it was somewhere around 15, I think that got salvaged out of that 769. There was some \[pause\] there was some miscommunication, I believe, where some people didn’t get the message as far as to sign-up for the salvage – and to be up there at what date and stuff. I know one thing that didn’t happen – and it happened kind of often – is that it doesn’t get put on the DLNR website until a lot later date then when it comes out in the newspaper – and a lot of people rely on that website for that information, too. I don’t personally know exactly when it came on – but I know it was at least a week after the newspaper article came out because I was checking and I was trying to see it because I never saw it on the newspaper – but after that I just quit looking because \[chuckles\] I already knew when it was – but – so that’s that. I been hearing that we’re gonna go again pretty soon – so, I don’t know a date on that yet…?: \[Unclear\] for that. I would hope that maybe we can get more people to come – that show up for the salvage – I don’t know how we can made it happen \[unclear\] T. Lodge: I have a question… You have to \[unclear} – ahead of time? W. Camara: Yeah, I believe it was a week before – the Friday before was the cut-off time for the – to get your permit to go up and get the thing. It was a limited amount of people that were allowed to go – from what I understand – also. ?: \[Unclear\] W. Camara: Yeah… But they didn’t even fill that limit \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: So, it’s a set amount of permits - do they know if it’s – it’s a matter of depending upon how many sheep they’re gonna shoot or is it just \[unclear\] fifty permits \[unclear\] shoot fifty or \[unclear\] a hundred? W. Camara: Yeah, I want to say it was 15 permits – I think – per day. 36 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Do you know why – the reason for the safety or? W. Camara: Um… I don’t know. C. Bailey: It’s gotta be manpower – if you just think about the logistics in trying to move 769 bodies off the mountain to get it to people that want to salvage one piece of leg or whatever’s edible on it – it’s – I don’t think it’s financially feasible but – it’s something that really needs to be addressed – and I see Lisa’s there – Hadway’s there – and she was – her ears were perked when Commissioner Willie-Joe was talking about notification to the public – but – as Commissioner Tom was saying, you know, twenty permits is kind of ridiculous – I’ve been on these salvages myself – in the past – and it’s just a pacifier is all it is – it’s not really done in a method to accomplish the goal of getting all the meat – or most of the meat out to the public. Basically, just a pacification tool - I wish there could be more numbers – I wish there could be more manpower – but maybe the department only has a limited amount of people that can control the groups that want the salvage meat. I’m sure that’s an issue too. But, ah, I wish… Chair Sylvester: But is that Cleon is that a problem, I mean – or do we, I mean, how do we know – how do we find that out? C. Bailey: We’re gonna just probably have to rent a helicopter our self and take pictures, I mean… Chair Sylvester: No, no, I mean as far as helping – is it something that DLNR needs help with the salvage? Is it to pick the animals up or – I hate to \[unclear\]. ?: \[Unclear\] \[Tape disturbance\] Chair Sylvester: Yeah, yeah. That’s why… L. Hadway: \[Unclear\] salvage thing started… Chair Sylvester: Yeah, and that’s why I’m just trying to… ?: \[Unclear\] ?: ….\[unclear\] come to you later and answer the question… Chair Sylvester: Yeah, you know, I don’t \[unclear\]… 37 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 D. Yoshina: I think it might be helpful \[tape disturbance\] if we \[unclear\] improve the situation to \[unclear\] identify what the problems \[unclear\] and kind of recommend some positive actions that can be taken – you know if communication ahead of time \[unclear\] is the problem then maybe we ought to, you know, write a letter or something to DLNR to let them know that perhaps instead of a week – maybe two weeks – I don’t know what \[unclear\] problems but I think the more – the more succinct we can be about \[tape gap\] if, you know, until such time as the Commission – we can come down and say, hey, you know by doing step one, two, three, four, you know it can move us in a positive direction – I think that’s our job, right? We know from experience or by listening to people that there’s a problem – but I think we can be a tremendous help to the department or whoever – by, \[unclear\] we identify what those are and what our suggestions are to correct them. That’s my thought. ?: Ok. That’s good. I like that because, you know, I’ve been getting pounded by certain people in the public to talk about this wanton waste law and I really hate to go that route if we can try to find better ways to work it – what DLNR is trying to do with salvaging and all – I think that’s the way to go – if we can – if we can make improvements to that part of it – versus having to try to make a law or something so you can’t waste animals – ‘cause then that \[unclear\] everybody down and… ?: So, you know, as an example, if \[unclear\] the pick-up is so inconvenient that people can’t get there – maybe we can say – hey, you know, if you do this – you should have the carcasses at Mauna Kea State Park \[chuckles\] or something, you know… ?: I think a lot of this… ?: ….closer… ?: ….is there still not people pulling permits \[unclear\] – but then it’s limited to fifteen permits… ?: Yeah! ?: ….so that’s \[unclear\] - that’s - and then so, you know, you can’t get more people then that already, so, but if you don’t 38 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 even fill the fifteen permits – ‘cause either whether people don’t know or… ?: Right… ?: ….people gonna drive all the way up there – ‘cause people don’t want to partake in that project – so, it’s pretty complex… ?: Yeah… Chair Sylvester: Tom? T. Lodge: \[Unclear\] and this is not going to be for the commissioners, I don’t think – but \[unclear\] wanton waste is a good idea – many states have one – waste law – and this is something that we should, you know, \[unclear\] when talk to our legislature – or legislative representative about \[unclear\] we’ve tried before – but it’s not something, you know, that should be dropped just because \[unclear\] before. \[Unclear\] the State deal with it. C. Bailey: This is Cleon Bailey, you know, time is of the essence. Everything that Commissioner Ike said is well received but – I mean – there’s almost no – no animals left to employ that mechanism to – I guess it would be nice to have it in case things turned around – but for us to do something right now with Lisa Hadway attending this meeting – maybe they can streamline something – I thought I heard you or somebody mention that they were getting ready to eradicate again – I don’t have any knowledge of that – but if they are – they could try to implement better logistics in removing the game – and it could even be as possibly as much as allowing us to go in and relocate some of these animals again – before they waste the meat up on the mountain. I’m done… Chair Sylvester: Thank you. OK. Any further discussions on that and we’ll move to the next item… ?: \[Unclear\] ?: \[Unclear\] on that end? 39 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 R. White: I have one comment to make. This is Rob from Kona. Just one simple one that I had talked to several hunters that had gone up to Mauna Kea to hunt – shortly after they had done the eradication – and they said the smell was so bad that they actually stopped hunting and left. I just want to make that clear. ?: OK. I have to replace $800 in filters \[unclear\] on Mauna Kea last week from all the flies. Tens of thousands of flies \[unclear\] observatory. After that also… B. Command: Tony, this is Bobby Command, we’re at 8:15 p.m. \[chuckles\] so I think everybody kinda wants to go home – so, just go ahead and… 4. THE COUNTY INFORMATION PACKET Chair Sylvester: The County information packet – the only thing that I have it on there - the only thing that I’m asking is that, you know, everybody keep to the back of your mind some items to build this packet that was requested by the County. I \[unclear\] more now that I have this County Sustainability Study and all that – but that’s something nice to remind our County Council members about that and the value of our game; and the next one is NRA ECHO Program - Paul, if you just want to speak a little bit about that… 5. NRA ECHO PROGRAM P. Bueltmann: Yes, and there’s some handouts over here too… You might want to…There’s a program from the NRA that – it’s \[unclear\] grant program – so \[unclear\] like some of the things that \[unclear\] was talking about – you know where do we get funding for improvements – this is one right here – where you can get grant monies for improvements to hunting areas and not only hunting areas but also conservation work and department \[unclear\] improvement – to habitat – for the game and non-game animals also, so… ?: \[Unclear\] 40 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 P. Bueltmann: \[Unclear\] Tom… \[Unclear\] for those – you need to have projects. You have to like \[unclear\] is one - for example. That would be something that ECHO might… ?: Yeah. \[Unclear\] P. Bueltmann: \[Unclear\] we’ve got this \[unclear\] – this is what we want to put in – \[unclear\] see if they’d be willing to help us \[unclear\]. \[Unclear\] So they work with state department agencies… ?: \[Unclear\] ….County? \[Unclear\] ….County? P. Bueltmann: Yeah. ?: Would this stuff – would be something that ah – and I don’t know – I mean obviously we are not in the capacity to be drafting up… ?: \[Chuckles\] P. Bueltmann: ….the project - but would there be any help from the County – let’s say – to do something with this ECHO Program that would help to provide access to some of the places that maybe Jordan (Jokiel) is working on? B. Command: Let me take a look at it – send that thing over. P. Bueltmann: Ok. B. Command: The packet… And maybe I can get in touch with Jordan (Jokiel) and talk to him a little bit about it. ?: Being that it’s a County easement anyway \[unclear\]. Right? ?: \[Unclear\] B. Command: So, and it’s the County - so we can help \[unclear\]… T. Lodge: We would have to identify the project and have a plan, you know, in place. ?: Um-hum. ?: \[Unclear\] 41 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 Chair Sylvester: But maybe part of the County – can the County – Bobby – can the County come up with that plan? If that was the case? B. Command: \[Unclear\] the NRA – Hunter Services Department – for the ECHO Program? Maybe what I’m confused about is what are you asking for? Funding, or? Or – I’m not sure… P. Bueltmann: It’s two things – I mean it’s – they have matching funds also – but it’s more – \[unclear\] like Tom (Lodge) said you have to write up a plan – what the plan would be – and NRA provides a certain amount of dollars but it has to be matched through state, federal – and I don’t know what the match is and all that stuff. B. Command: Is this like a grant? P. Bueltmann: It is a grant…Yes. B. Command: It’s a grant writing effort, I guess… ?: \[Unclear\] P. Bueltmann: You have to have a specific project… B. Command: Right, right… P. Bueltmann: ….on paper before you send it in… B. Command: It’s a possibility, yes… Chair Sylvester: OK. Thank you. All right, Cleon. We’re moving to the next one – no further discussion on that. 6. FERAL DOG AND CARE REMOVAL FROM GAME RESOURCE LANDS Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] B. Command: Before you go there Tony (Sylvester) – feel free to go ahead and pouch or – the packet – get it to the Mayor’s Office and have them pouch it over to me. Chair Sylvester: Ok. 42 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 B. Command: Thank you. Chair Sylvester: I’ll give you the link… B. Command: Ok. That’s fine… Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] P. Bueltmann: I’ll go follow-up with an email \[unclear\]… Chair Sylvester: Thanks, Paul B. Command: Thanks, Paul. C. Bailey: I would just ask on the feral dog and cat removal – I would just ask if we could move it forward to the next agenda – I mean for an agenda topic on the next meeting… Chair Sylvester: Ok. I have a few questions for that one – and I’ll just throw it out there, but, to address that question of feral dog and cat removal from game resource lands – I guess my biggest question would be – is, you know, is there any special permitting needed to trap dogs and cats and how would you euthanize them? I mean we just can’t have people going around trapping animals and shooting them in cages or whatever – so I don’t know what DLNR’s methods are – and I tried to call Hans all week but I didn’t get a response back, yet, I wanted to ask him how do they handle that problem in the areas where they trap. \[Unclear\] they need a permit to or if they can just do it or… And then I guess the next thing is \[pause\] is that solely a DLNR task? ‘Cause it’s State land, I guess they’d be responsible for that so when Hans gets back to me – I’ll try to see if he can answer some of these questions. That’s all I have on that. ?: I’d like to hear his answer, too… ?: \[Chuckles\] ?: Yeah… ?: Well, I think Lisa can tell you – they have a task force that deals with that right now – don’t they? I mean… ?: \[Chuckles\] 43 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 ?: \[Unclear\] talk about it… C. Bailey: I mean ‘cause they shoot the birds that – on the Hilo runway daily. Chair Sylvester: That’s different Cleon. C. Bailey: What’s that? Chair Sylvester: Totally different. ?: \[Unclear\] ….you and me Cleon… Chair Sylvester: Those, the runway \[unclear\] that is totally different… ?: \[Group discussion\] C. Bailey: I realize that but I’m talking about – it’s in the same department – there’s a group that’s tasked for that – I mean – they’re poi \[unclear\]… They’re putting traps out on the mountain – they have for years – they’ve poisoned the yellow dog – years past by – they had signs up “Poison Dog” – you know you see the traps for the mongoose – I mean there’s some sort of task force directed to this problem – the public wants to know why it’s so slow in moving forward – I mean we’re getting feedback that they’re seeing the same dogs in these hunting areas year after year – the same dogs… So, we, I guess we – you can request that it be clarified – do you have a plan to manage that problem or not – and if you do how come it’s moving so slow… ?: \[Unclear\] eradicate ‘em. Chair Sylvester: All right, Cleon. \[Unclear\] as soon as I get a call back from Hans and maybe he can answer some of those questions. C. Bailey: Right. I know he was \[unclear\] sick today so I won’t call – I don’t know how long it’s been going on, but… ?: \[Unclear\] B. Command: He knew you were gonna ask that question… C. Bailey: Yeah… Chair Sylvester: OK. Is there any further business? 44 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 ?: \[Unclear\] professional \[unclear\]… ?: Has there been anymore discussions about relocating the sheep on Mauna Kea? ?: Tony? Chair Sylvester: Not that anybody knows… ?: I’m waiting for a call back… ?: Thank you. Chair Sylvester: All right, if there’s no further business – the next meeting – date, time and place… ?: Yeah, yeah. It was nice to see that they granted us $10,000. Maybe we can put it to use for some sort of use for some sort of a messaging and marketing, you know, getting the word out… Chair Sylvester: Can we do that, Bobby? B. Command: I think so, sure… Chair Sylvester: Can I buy that book I wanted? Group: \[Laughter\] B. Command: You never told me what pages to copy… \[Laughs\] ?: \[Unclear\] B. Command: Ok. I’ll get you the book… Chair Sylvester: Which actually brings one thing to mind which is the status of the website… I don’t know… B. Command: We’re working on it… ?: Working on it… ?: Oh, um so… Chair Sylvester: Willie-Joe (Camara)? 45 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes - May 13, 2013 W. Camara: Bobby, I don’t think the notice for this meeting made it on the website… On the County website… B. Command: I didn’t know either and double checking on that. I know we talked about that last meeting… B. Kossow: It was posted on the bulletin boards both out here. ?: ….thank you for mentioning it and thank you Mr. Command \[unclear\]. B. Command: All right. We’re trying our best here – \[unclear\] - Lincoln – what is proper notice for a meeting like this? L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] filed with the County Clerk. B. Command: And posted on the bulletin board, right? L. Ashida: Yes, the County bulletin board(s). B. Command: Right… Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Ok. Our next meeting is on June 17 – Monday – 6:30 p.m. - same place. Under announcements – let everyone know that the Endangered Species Act has a public hearing – U.S. Fish & Wildlife – Wednesday, May 15, 2013, West Hawaii Civic Center – and there’s a number out: 323-4444 and then there’s a public information session from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. and oral testimony 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. And you can call to get more information or look it up on the Internet and find out more about it. But that’s basically, I think it’s an 18,000 acre parcel – Kona – that they want to \[unclear\]. And its’ three species – and \[unclear\] plant and \[unclear\]. Motion to adjourn \[unclear\] moved and seconded. The motion was unanimously carried by a voice vote of all Commissioners. Respectfully submitted, Barbara Kossow Secretary ATTEST: Anthony H. 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