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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2014-09-15 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting 0 Minutes — September 15, 2014 Game Management Advisory Commission Countv of Hawaii Minutes Meeting Date: September 15, 2014 Time: 6:35 p.m. Place: Hawaii County Building — Council Chambers & via Video Conferencing to West Hawaii Civic Center, Council Room A and Mayors Conference Room I. CALL TO ORDER: Quorum established. II. ROLL CALL: Per B. Kossow: Willie-Joe Camara, District 1 Dwayne "Ike" Yoshina, District L Anthony "Tony" Sylvester, District 3 Paul Bueltmann, District 4 —Absent Thomas H. Lodge, District 5 Kenneth "Kalani" DeCoito, District 6 — arrived later District 7 - Vacant Mark C. Bartell — District 8 District 9 —Vacant Quorum established ALSO PRESENT: B. Command, Deputy Planning Director Craig Masuda, Corporation Counsel Barbara Kossow, Administrative Specialist III. GUESTS: Lisa Hadway, Division of Forestry and Wildlife, Administrator Chair Lodge welcomed everyone and thanked all of the public testifiers for attending to share their thoughts and insights and comments. He also thanked Lisa Hadway and her staff for attending the meeting to answer any specific questions and to share their comments. Chair Lodge read the Charter Section 6-9.3 of the Game Management Advisory Commission. "There shall be a game management advisory commission consisting of nine members who shall be appointed by the mayor and confirmed by the council. One member shall be a resident of each council district. The terms of the members shall be as prescribed in Section 13-4. The commission shall select its chairperson from its voting members, and five voting members shall constitute a quorum." "For the benefit of present and future generations, the game management advisory commission shall advise County, State and Federal agencies on 1 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 matters related to the preservation of subsistence hunting and fishing, as well as protecting traditional and cultural gartering rights. The commission may also advise County, State, and Federal agencies on any matter affecting the taking and conservation of aquatic life and wildlife, including proposed rules, and shall communicate its findings and recommendations to these agencies. The commission shall promulgate recommendations that conserve and protect the natural and cultural resources of Hawaii in furtherance of the self-sufficiency and long-term subsistence sustainability of aquatic life and wildlife in the County. The commission shall provide reports or legislative recommendations to the council as necessary, or at least quarterly.” (2012, Ord. No.: 12-110, section 1) Chair Lodge shared some of GMAC’s priorities:  Focus on the future of hunting which is a high risk for the State of Hawaii given State and Federal initiatives currently underway. Stop or block those initiatives or work with them to minimize those initiatives, is paramount to the generations of hunters. And it is for these reasons we have chosen to first focus on hunting and land management and with the consent of the Mayor.  Demand that the state abide by HRS 183B, managing our game animals for the benefit of subsistence hunters, sportsmen and gatherers for current and future generations; hold the State accountable to produce a game management plan and in that plan we suggest that such a plan require biological data, targets to be achieved, long term goals and methods to achieve those desired results and in addition, the State is required to publish/accomplish the game management plan on an annual basis or such period as is required by their own rules and regulations.  Create a state level board of game comprised by hunters and one of fishery. Both boards appointed by the Governor - DLNR is responsible to and these boards will have the authority to enact and change fishing game laws as well as hold the State accountable to managing our renewable resources for the benefit of our people, as well as the departmental groups who we wish to working together with.  Work with the Mayor and the County Council to implement access to both our mountains and to our oceans. Public testimony is appreciated and welcomed. Please keep statements focused on agenda items as this is the only time the commission meets together due to the Sun Shine Law. 2 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: July 21, 2014 Action: W. Camara moved to accept the minutes as circulated; seconded by D. Yoshina. Motion carried unanimously by voice vote. T. Sylvester: Palikapu Dedman concern was not clearly stated in minutes. He is concerned about their traditional and customary practices being met if the forest eventually becomes fenced and eradicated of pigs. P. Dedman asked to be placed on the agenda and was not. Correction to Dustin Wamar’s name, he made a good point about folks hunting illegally and no one is checking licenses. Suggest that there should be a follow-up with DOCARE whenever a question comes up during a GMAC meeting. Chair Lodge asked Steve Bergfeld Hawaii Branch Manager of Forestry and Wildlife if they are checking for licenses. Steve Bergfeld said generally the gates are opened and we let people go in and hunt – that’s a six-month opening, six-month closed. One does not need a hunting license to access that road in. Dustin Wamar: DOCARE is allowing a poacher who has no license to hunt with hunters that hunt legally. Why not check for license at the entrance instead of waiting until the person comes out with a bag of meat. It appears to be entrapment. C. Masuda, Corp Counsel: The topic that commissioner Sylvester brought up was for clarification of the minutes and to add to future agenda items. What this clarified of what’s happened last time and what should be on the minutes – that’s fine. But when start discussing the actual item – since it’s an item that probably affects the majority of people, it’s not something you can do without a 2/3rds votes amend the agenda, OK? Even with 2/3rds vote you cannot amend the agenda cause it’s a matter of particular importance to a majority of the people, I would assume, in this kind of situation. So as far as discussion further, although you had some responses already, especially if you go on the official response from DOCARE conservation side of DLNR, then that’s a matter you should put on to the next agenda. Minutes will be sent out one week before the meeting to allow time for review by commission members. Action: D. Yoshina moved to accept the minutes of August 25, 2014; seconded by W. Camara, and carried unanimously by voice vote . 3 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 V. Budget Report: Copy circulated to board members. Current remaining balance is $7,139.00. Action: W. Camara moved to accept the budget report as circulated; seconded by D. Yoshina. Motion carried unanimously by voice vote. VI. Public Testimony on Agenda Items R. Hefflinger: My name is Richard Hefflinger. My comment is a fairly short one. I think your agenda is out of order. You indicated earlier that you encourage the testimony and encourage or try to engage the public but I don’t understand how your agenda works where you have the public testify before you ever get to the agenda item. You publish an agenda that the discussion items – it’s unclear to me what really you want to discuss and so there’s two ways to handle this, in my view. One would be when you publish your agenda, publish a short abstract on what it is you’re gonna discuss so people who come to the meeting will be prepared to discuss that or change the order of the agenda and put the public discussion after the – the public testimony – after the discussion. Thank you. It was determined that a brief synopsis of what the actual item is instead of just the title will appear in future agendas. P. Pacheco: Yes, Mr. Chairman, before I make any comment I see only a – number 3 Lisa Hadway – Game Rules and Regulations – Strategy if Delayed, a) HRS License Fee Increase – I would like to hear HRA hunting fee before I make any comment, I would like Lisa to try to explain this further so there can be something said about it – I mean since I see her name there. Would you mind if she comes up and explain to us and I reserve my questions after, I mean my comments after? Chair Lodge: That’s quite – we’re gonna be discussing that here in a minute. P. Pacheco: Thank you very much for right now. I want to say that’s all I have for her right now and it’s just that we cannot discuss what Nelson said, Nelson said earlier because of… Chair Lodge: Not part of the agenda. P. Pacheco: Yes, yes, yes. That wasn’t part of the agenda, I understand that, and also they’re like Willie-Joe Camara said, that there’s lotta things were said and even though I said something there’s nothing in there that I’ve said it – I mean apparently who does this print what you like – write – but you don’t print what the people say. So let’s make it correct and if we’re gonna type – get 4 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 minutes – let’s have an adequate and proper minutes and words that are that saying by the person and be on it – because I look in it I don’t see the what Willie-Joe said when I remember what I said and many others. But there’s none. I mean, so why get minutes if we’re not going to get the truth. If we’re not going to be the real minutes – words spoken by the people who testify then what’s this all about - why get minutes? Get minutes on what you want to put – what you want to put? Or the people say. I think if you’re gonna have minutes hereafter that the minutes should be concurred with what people said – this is why they come to meetings and give their suggestions and when there’s minutes – put what they said! Not just delete that. That’s what I find right here. And I don’t want to see \[unclear\] I don’t see any other things that right now I mean I like to hold my reservation until Lisa explain this. Thank you. B. Command: Mr. Chairman, this is Bobby Command. We’re taking minutes, we’re not doing, we’re not transcribing the meetings, right. So we’re not gonna have a word for word transcription of what happens at the meetings. Chair Lodge: We’re gonna have a summary? B. Command: It’s a summary of what was said at the meeting. I’m not saying that something wasn’t necessary or anything like that but I’m just trying to give you the difference between the minutes and the transcripts. Thank you. S. Hart: Steve Hart, Big Island Bird Hunters. The agenda item I’d like to address at this point is the new County Mauna Kea Recreation area cabins and restroom facilities. I’ve looked up the charter for the County parks and everybody I hope has got a copy of it now – and the first one I think I had on there was places prohibited to animals including dogs and cats and the exact wording in the County Charter is except as otherwise provided it shall be unlawful for any person to take or permit any dog, cat or other domestic animal whether loose or on a leash or in restraint on or about any County beach parks, Mauna Kea Recreation area is nowhere near a beach as far as we can get. I don’t know how the interpretation would be when the County’s actually involved with up keeping the park but at the current time, if we run our dogs pre-season if it gets interpreted other than what’s written here we can be in violation of the law by stopping to use the restroom facility with our training dog inside the vehicle. My discussion on this one particular point is to ask this commission to please advise the County Council and the Mayor that there needs to be written stipulation that would exclude this part from the domestic animal and if you want to be specific about which ones it could be actually written into as dog or cat or whatever such is – you may feel would be reasonable. Next, on the other page, this is again from Parks and Recreation – Section 15-12. Weapons Restricted. In recreational areas the use and possession of all firearms or other implements designated to discharge missiles which area capable of destroying animal life shall conform with all applicable federal, state, and county laws. Such firearms and other implements shall not be used in a manner so as to endanger persons or property 5 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 – the possession of loaded firearms or other implements except by law enforcement officers and developed, populated or concentrated use areas is prohibited. There were in kim chee. This needs to be addressed and Mauna Kea Recreational Park be specifically allowed by language that goes into the law for the County to be allowable, otherwise, the County by not changing that is going to exclude each and every hunter that would go up there and so much as want to utilize the restrooms. There’s been talk of – when you rent the cabin – if you’re gonna stay up there and hunt over night which has been traditional since the park was utilized as a state park. I heard a rumor that if a state allows this county or other people to run a park the conditional uses are not supposed to be eliminated. I did not find any paperwork on that. Maybe more research can be done to back that statement up when, but I don’t have it right now, unfortunately. But I would again ask this commission to please immediately, and not later, approach the County Council and the Mayor to allow the usage of the cabins with firearms. And we cannot have it with just licensed hunters if in fact the Puuwaawaa Target Range goes into effect and becomes available. If a visitor comes and they decide they want to try out the new range in Hawaii and decide, hey, what a great thing to stay at the park, let’s not prohibit them from having such an occasion, so that is something that I would ask this commission to support in getting something through, please. Thank you. Chair Lodge: Any other comments… K. Marks: Good evening gentlemen. I’m Kerri Marks from Kaumana city. I would also like to comment on the minutes, but I can’t because I’ve never seen them. I will make the same comment I made at the last meeting and at least two meeting before this – that the minutes are not posted on the website. We’d like to see the minutes posted on the website before the meeting so we can all comment on them. For this entire year, you have one meeting posted, since February, and that’s the only one I can comment on. Other than that there’s no minutes. Beyond that, there’s no nothing on the website. Last time we saw maps, you have some resolutions here, why don’t you post those too? Scan them, make them PDFs and post those too, so that we can all see them and we can share ‘em and other people can see ‘em too. So please post them on the website before so we can comment tonight. And I have a comment on the Mauna Kea Park – dogs are okay, for sure, I checked with the Mayor’s office and for sure it’s an inland park that only applies to beach parks with the dogs but you have to check on the guns so – told them make sure the guns are OK and if it’s not, I’m sure that we can get that passed through County Council no problem because you have support on the County Council. So that’s all I wanted to say. Let’s clear that up for sure, check with Ilihia, but for sure you can have dogs up there. And I was just up there this weekend, it’s lovely. Mahalo. A summary of the minutes and agendas will be made available on the County website as well as at the Hilo and Kona mayor’s offices. 6 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 T. Nakama: Aloha, this is Teresa Nakama. I’m not sure if I’m stating this correctly but a point of clarification on your minutes. You need to amend your minutes that you’ve approved a summary, not the full minutes, and you’ve approved a draft and until the draft is approved to become final and since it’s a summary, they cannot be a final minutes. So something that may be to look into and go back into that you’ve approved a summary of your minutes and not the full minutes. Chair Lodge: We will consult our Corporation Counsel on that. T. Nakama: Also, I didn’t receive any response that was stated in your minutes on August 25, that you approved this draft. And I was wondering if someone could respond to me in letter form? Because right after I made my statement, you said, “Absolutely, all right, thank you, we’ve done with our testimony,” and that wasn’t the response I was looking for. Chair Lodge: OK. So you want a copy of the minutes, is that it? T. Nakama: I have a copy of the minutes. I want a response to my question in your minutes. Page number 21. \[Pause\] Chair Lodge: OK. Um… \[Pause\] T. Sylvester: OK. I understand your question, Teresa. And, but, it’s like you’re asking for GMAC, DOFARE, DLNR – so are you asking us specifically here? T. Nakama: I’m asking GMAC specifically… T. Sylvester: OK. Do we have ah… Have we considered having on our panel or in our organization, our department, someone that is knowledgeable in Native Hawaiians, their lifestyle, and I’m not going to call that an expert… T. Nakama: Um, what I’m asking is that you discuss this among yourselves and give me a written response. You don’t have to answer it now. You don’t have to answer it now. T. Sylvester: We can’t – what I mean by discussing it amongst ourselves – we can’t do that. T. Nakama: Well, you know, if you discuss it in the meeting, all I need to know is will you consider it? Chair Lodge: If you have something that you want to bring to the commission, we actually would appreciate that you do bring it – to the commission – so we can discuss the specific item you are concerned with? 7 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 T. Nakama: Because the lands that reaches the mountain also reaches the ocean and our pigs also swim in the ocean. I’ve met one alongside me as I was fishing. Chair Lodge will add Hawaiian customary practices regarding hunting from the th mountain to ocean on to the October 20 agenda. VII. DISCUSSION ITEMS: 1. Mauna Kea State Park Parks and Recreation Director Clayton Honma apologized for not being able to attend tonight’s meeting due to Puna issue with the lava flow. But he did share that they will accommodate the hunters - the firearms and the dogs. They’re going to be rehabilitating the kennels and what have you up there as well. Many questions were asked regarding rules and regulations, will county adopt the State’s rules and regulations, what transfers prior to the County adopting their own rules, overnight camping, firearms, caliber weapon, dog kennels, bird hunting opening date, obtaining a copy of the MOU, permit access to adjacent hunting areas through the park, review draft rules before it goes out to public hearing, opening date, policing, etc. Public Hearings as stated in Chapter 91, HRS will be held on a draft set of rules (County currently working on draft rules) and folks will have an opportunity to provide testimony on those proposed rules. After the hearing and whatever changes are made and they finalize the rules, those rules then have to go to the Mayor’s office, County Clerk, Lieutenant Governor’s office and it will take effect ten days after their approval. Suggestion was made that they contact some of the bird hunters as well as other hunters and ask for input before they promulgate these rules. th Mr. Honma has agreed to attend the next meeting on October 20 if his schedule allows. He welcomes any questions or concerns and can be reached at 961- 8311. 2. County Game Management Plan Chair Lodge: There are two issues that when we talk about a County Game Management Plan there is a State plan that has been devised, that’s in draft form right now for the County regarding a plan for the Island of Hawaii. 8 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 And there has been a request by others for a County Game Management Plan which would be with the counties having a plan for the county itself. Let’s discuss, any comments? T. Sylvester: My first comment on this issue is when we talked about this at our last meeting and correct me if I’m wrong but Kalani suggested that we come up with a game plan – he meant like a strategic plan of County issues and I don’t know how that morphed into a County Game Management Plan where we’re actually managing animals now. Managing animals could be part of this plan but I think Kalani was talking about we need to come up with a strategic plan of County issues cause it’s not just game animals, it’s access and other issues and things like that, that we talked about. So you can correct me if I’m wrong, cause I got pretty upset at some people when I saw that on the agenda. I thought that we were going to talk about a game plan of what issues, so if game management was part of it and like I said access and trails was part of this County plan – other County issues and things like that. We didn’t specifically say to have a County Game Management Plan agenda item. Is that correct? K. De Coito: It was something that – because of this island and every island has its own situations what have you and what it was, was just something when DLNR do their rule change – they do the management – they have – we have something in place to present and they can see – OK Big Island of Hawaii, County of Hawaii suggests to the GMAC that this is what it is and to ask for the consideration how, just overseeing and having the consideration of addressing the concerns that each location, each district has in a sense. Chair Lodge: So are you saying that your question initially was a game management plan involving DLNR and the Big Island. K. De Coito: Each district has concerns. Rather it’s a County goal, State goal of having. Not managing but in a sense on how can we get involved with them managing. Be heard publically. We do have some kind of influence now as far as consideration. It’s not about what association. They can come to us and they can voice their concerns, so we can bring it to the table. Chair Lodge: Are you talking about specific items for DLNR? K. De Coito: All depends on what specific items we’re talking about. For example the bird hunters’ not knowing if the season will open or not. They are confused with County parks at Mauna Kea State Park. That issue is guns, dogs, what have you. Well isn’t that our job as GMAC to make sure that their questions were answered in a proper way? Who answers the questions, Forestry or County that’s what I hear from all the public, what we doing, what we do. Well, this is what we trying to do. So basically, we got to come up with one plan for each district of what are your concerns in your district. What are your concerns as 9 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 County of Hawaii period. Not the State of Hawaii because then when you State of Hawaii you mean Kauai, Maui, Molokai, Lanai. But every State Hawaiian island has their issues. Such questions as checking licenses, we are asked those questions. We are fortunate to have Lisa Hadway here to address those questions. But, we have to put it on an agenda. Well let’s have that already in place so we can put ‘em on the agenda and tackle it one at a time, so when they see the agenda, they see what it’s about, hey this is the questions I was asking about, Tree Planting Road opening up, license not being checked. What district brought that up? Our job is to find the right people, whether it’s Lisa (Hadway), whether it’s enforcement, whether it’s Bishop Estate, etc. But we funnel all down through the state, because it’s the state holding. Chair Lodge: Let me ask a question of Lisa (Hadway). Kalani has a question let’s say from Kau. There’s no problem with him just picking up the phone and calling you or Steve, is there? L. Hadway: No, not at all. I would encourage it and then, for sure we can try and find the right people to try and figure it out and I think that would probably get some of these questions answered cause we don’t always know, you know, whether we’re gonna be addressing the questions that come up, when they come up at the meeting if we don’t quite know what they are beforehand, it would be probably more expeditious to make sure you – more than welcome to get in touch with us. Chair Lodge: Cause I think it covers some – if we as a commission have to address a specific item, where he could just pick up the phone and say, hey, you know, we have this issue, or what about this be and, you know, I think can resolve that, you know, with his own community right on the spot. If it evolves into a bigger issue that’s something that the Commission can then involve themselves without \[unclear\]. D. Wamar: This is Dustin Wamar. What is the time frame that you guys think you guys will be having a state commission put together? Chair Lodge: That’s going to be up to the legislature. We’re going to address that a little bit later in the meeting tonight. D. Wamar: Well, getting back to a game management plan once there’s a state commission formed, I think that’s the time to attack game management because, like you said yourself, at the state level, you have the authority to make rules or change rules, stuff like that, right? I thought the county level is at the mercy of these state level officials and it still can be manipulated no matter how much suggestions we make and everything like that, everything is still somehow manipulated at the state level, so, unless my suggestions regarding this game management plan… 10 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 K. De Coito: Thank you for that and Tom, I going enlighten you on that one. Yeah, I can call Lisa (Hadway), you been calling Lisa, you been calling everybody. Do you find results? Chair Lodge: Sometimes… K. De Coito: Sometimes. That’s what I’m saying. We here – we will make a difference together. Whether it’s your concerns – I back you up – they back you up. My concerns you back up – then we go to these guys. But to say I going represent my district and just go to her directly and just call her that’s just like one typical phone call. Well, that’s not what I’m getting at. I’m getting at we get one format stating OK Kau district this what we asking – this is what we looking at, your district. It’s not an individual person doing whatever – it’s the district – it’s each and every one of the public addressing in the different areas. And we need to put them in format where we can present them to these guys and they figure out who, what department needs to come here and address the situations. Chair Lodge: I agree… K. DeCoito: It’s not for me go call her and if she going give me whatevers and the next thing you know we, oh, you know, that’s so and so’s department and you call but they don’t want – they no longer work there so whatever he or she said no longer exists because it’s considered a hearsay. Chair Lodge: That actually happened… K. De Coito: See, I’ve been doing this just as long as you – and that’s why I’m saying, you know, I’m tired of it. And every public people in this County of Hawaii is tired of it. And that’s why we were formed. We were formed to make people accountable. To hear the voices, whether it’s Hawaiian gathering rights, whether it’s hunters’ rights, fishermen’s rights, not what environmentalists and everybody else public changing, parks changing, but nobody seems to know what rules is what. Whether it is target practice guys, whoever, nough already. We need to be accountable to our public, to our district. We don’t represent Kauai, Lanai. We represent Big Island of Hawaii, County of Hawaii. We go state of Hawaii we representing other islands? Who are we to speak out in behalf of the other islands? Chair Lodge: Craig, do you have a question. C. Masuda: Chairman. I think what Commissioner De Coito – correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth – I think what Commissioner De Coito is asking for is like a place within – a set place within the agenda – where the different representatives from districts – we can have like OK District 8 reporting whatever and then that’d be discussed as a body here, not as resolving things individually for each district and then you end up with 9 different answers for 9 different 11 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 districts. So, Kalani, is that what you asking for a section in the agenda where it says Report from District 8, Report from District 7, 6, you know, like that. K. De Coito: See this whole thing, we can have one already written in place. So you…one game plan in districts… C. Masuda: A game plan, a set process, not a game management plan… K. De Coito: Right, yeah, because the bottom line is game management comes from DLNR. Chair Lodge: OK. So let me – if I understand then – what we want to do is on the committee report section of our agenda adding district report section or question section for DLNR. Is that correct? C. Masuda: No. It’s a – someplace in your agenda – you know you’re gonna have your speakers and whatever – and there’ll be a section report from the districts from the representatives. So Kalani will say, you know, during this last month people came up to me about the topic of somebody using snares or something like that or somebody being denied access to hunting here, or whatever. Those kind of issues. And then, it can be brought up before the commission. Chair Lodge: Right. So where on the agenda would that go? C. Masuda: You can put it anywhere. That’s just be under the title of Report from the Districts. But then, because of Sunshine Law – it’s up to each district whoever, who’s making a report – to give the Chairman sufficient information what is to be discussed. Chair Lodge: So we can put it on the agenda. C. Masuda: We put it on the agenda. And that means they have to have the agenda items then it would have to be out six days before, right. So it would have to be with sufficient detail about District 8 had this issue about persons being denied access from whoever – cause they want to go hunting on this day or whatever. And then something that you can – I think that’s what you’re looking for? B. Command: Craig, this is Bobby Command, one question. Could you have an agenda item that says like report from District 7 and have them make a report and not allow any discussion and then if there was something that rose to the level of importance to have that discussion in a following meeting. 12 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 C. Masuda: You could. But then it would be kind of hard for people to adequately testify into – beforehand since they don’t know what the issue is… B. Command: Right, it would be impossible, right? C. Masuda: Yeah, kind of hard. B. Command: OK. T. Sylvester: So, it’s report only, then? Because if he has a pressing issue in Kau and he does his report but we can’t take any action on it… B. Command: Unless it’s on the agenda. If it’s listed on the agenda then you could. C. Masuda: That’s what I was saying. That it’s up to each district representative to give the Chairman enough information that they could make a meaningful entry to the agenda. K. De Coito: See that way we choose what should be on the agenda here. Not have it from the public saying can I be on the agenda. We not going say oh yeah, yeah, yeah, wait, wait, wait. NO. Cause we addressing concerns throughout everybody – not one person. That’s how I see it. I just see too many guys come in here – how they going be on the agenda. No! We gotta tackle it the right way and that’s about it and the agenda should be decided among us, so that that way when they do see it on the website or if I’m the guy going give my district is here and they say, hey, the topics what you guys told me about we on the agenda this month. We need you guys voice for here, you know, come out, hear what we talking about – then we do one public testimony – the public can then speak out. But then they know. Whether it’s gonna be fielded by Honokaa, whether it’s gonna be fielded by Kau, whether it’s gonna be fielded by Hilo, because they know that eh, that’s the topic we was talking about, this month’s topic. They prepare themselves. So when we bring whoever going answer the questions, well, the public going hear ‘em, by whoever going answer those questions that we have concerns on who and not a phone call. It’s like everybody going hear. It’s not what Lisa (Hadway) and I going talk and oh, what Lisa (Hadway) going say and then I go come hear and say something. I might misinterpret what she just told me. But if she says it, she’ll says it better everybody hear it . Chair Lodge: Right. Do you check your email? K. De Coito: Everyday. Chair Lodge: Most of the agenda items come from - and your suggestion of, you know, like a district – or like I said a committee report but just the district report, you know, any where it is in there – that would be an easy thing for us to do. And, 13 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 like I say, we get our agenda items from Tony and Ike can come up with these things anyway. That’s where they come from. K. De Coito: Yeah, but see what I’m saying is, yeah, anybody can say OK I like this on the agenda, but that’s not what I’m getting at. I want us to agree on it. I want us to prioritize OK if Tree Planting Road is one high priority and if there’s a health and safety issue to that situation, then let me address accordingly first. Chair Lodge: No, that can’t happen, can it? K. De Coito: Why not? As far as any agreement…over here we can… Chair Lodge: The Sunshine Law… C. Masuda: Well \[discussion starts\] no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Communications between an individual District Representative and the Chair – discussions to be what they want to put on the agenda can happen, OK? What cannot happen is if multiple members of the Commission start getting into a dialogue that’s not on the record. So, with all due respect, Mr. Chairman, you can discuss with Kalani, OK, what is your issue? Oh, why is that important to you. And then from there OK, we’re gonna put that on the agenda for your district report. Chair Lodge: With all due respect, may I agree with you. C. Masuda: But there cannot be an agreement by a quorum saying, “Yeah, this is going to be on the agenda,” unless that happens on the record, the meeting before. Sunshine Law is a – it’s difficult but it’s also has its purpose, and, you know, the purpose is….. K. De Coito: OK. So let me run this by you. If I have five issues and I take my – giving my number one concern and then said these guys have one – five issues – but they take their number one concern. We can address it tonight for the next agenda and put those items on the next meeting agenda to be addressed. We have that… C. Masuda: If you’re gonna raise it during the announcements where talking about well I have these issues, I want these to be on the next agenda. Yes, you can do that. K. De Coito: Like if I have five, I read the five, but I pick this one… C. Masuda: Yes… K. De Coito : ….for the next agenda. And then say, Tony says the same thing of his five but he picks the first – like he what he thinks should be addressed and 14 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 we tackle it one at a time – then we cross that one off and the next meeting OK number two… C. Masuda: Yeah, and it’s just an announcement….. K. De Coito: Yeah…. C. Masuda: Just the issue and not a discussion of it. K. De Coito: No, no, but it’s - it was – it’s agreement where right here before next month, before emails – we already know what it should be? C. Masuda: Yes. K. De Coito: Right? C. Masuda: Yes, the representative should be prepared at that meeting to discuss what’s going to be on the next agenda. K. De Coito: And then the public here sitting going kinda understand, eh, next month they going be talking about this because this district going get this and but that district going be that. Right? So if you have nephews or cousins from so and so district, hey, what I was hearing at the meeting was this going be on next month’s agenda, you know, so it’s part of you guys come down, you know, or what have you or Tree Planting Road, going be on the top on the agenda. He can come out and eh kind of get a wells wells – that feels the same way as he. You know what I’m saying? Chair Lodge: OK. K. De Coito: That’s how we’re supposed to roll. W. Camara: OK. So let me try and understand this then, I agree with what you’re saying Kalani. So I guess what you’re saying is that – I mean what I understand is gonna happen is it’s gonna take a whole nother month before we can really discuss the issue. Like – just take last month’s meeting – the whole having DOCARE and the County police here was my concern that I did - wanted to have on the agenda because I was having complaints from my district on that, so that’s why we put that on the agenda, we had the people there. So basically, before actually inviting people to come, we want to make sure that it’s all right with everybody here – so like if, if this was – if last month didn’t happen – in my report I would say eh, I have this issue with people poaching and nothing being done by the police, can’t we have police and DOCARE here at the next meeting. That’s basically what we’re saying in that report? 15 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 Chair Lodge: No reason why if you request it – have them at a meeting – then we can just have another meeting and put it on the agenda, which is what we did. W. Camara: No, but, I understand what Kalani is saying. See that way, that way these people here can heard me say it so now they’re going to be prepared next meeting to comment and listen to that thing that’s on the agenda. K. De Coito: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It’s – we’ve been here for how long and did anything get resolved? Anything? So we talk about today for next month to have things try and be resolved, well, you know, Lisa or DLNR or whoever’s gonna have that ample time to come up and say, eh, they going talk about these issues so be prepared because now when they come and they invited to come, it’s because they have to address those issues by GMAC that was already done. We been here and all we getting is around and around and around and around and nothing, nothing, nough. So if we put ‘em in writing and we put ‘em in the agenda and we agree upon it next month’s meeting would be – everybody would know by the time we leave that door. W. Camara: So Craig do we need to make a motion to have that permanently put on the agenda? The committee reports? Sorry, not committee reports, um… C. Masuda: Just call it whatever you want…But it’s not a committee, OK? Cause no committee was formed. If you want to do that by committing to a district reports, you can resolve that, if you folks are in agreement right now, somebody can make a motion, second it and then just go from there. Cause we – it’s an important topic… W. Camara: Right. No, I agree, yeah. C. Masuda: So if someone can make… W. Camara: OK. So can I make a motion to permanently…. M. Bartell: Not yet Willie-Joe. W. Camara: Oh, OK. M. Bartell: Not yet, not yet. W. Camara: Go ahead, Mark, I’m sorry. M. Bartell: So, now, Kalani, I think you’ve got an excellent point, right? So I, so what are the top five, six, eight, ten, twelve issues we got to wrestle with, yeah? And is there agreement among the GMAC members that those are the right ones? So, um, either we can – as was suggested, I could bring my three, Kalani can bring his five, Ike can bring his two, right, and we can hash it out amongst us 16 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 in a meeting like this and say here’s the next agenda, yeah, which I think is an awesome idea, to be honest with you. You know, another way to do it is, you know what, we generate our three or four or five of fifteen issues whatever we want to deal with and we give ‘em to Tom and Tom can pick. I kind of like the public thing better – where we get all the members – the GMAC members deciding hey what are the top five issues that we want to handle. And we had consensus on that and we know it’s coming and everybody in the room knows it’s coming for next meeting. So I guess here’s a couple different ways to skin that cat, yeah, one is at the end of every meeting we have a discussion to say what’s the next agenda, right? There may be some standing things that we’re gonna talk about, yeah, but that guy that talked about, you know, Tree Planting Road, right, if that’s a hot one for Kau then we make a decision as a group that’s gonna be at October’s meeting. All I would say is the other way to do it is have your list of five or six, right, and since we can’t talk amongst ourselves on email, we give ‘em to Tom and Tom picks, right? Two separate ways to solve that problem, but if you’re asking me, I kinda like the end of every meeting what’s on the next agenda, right? K. De Coito: Exactly. M. Bartell: I prefer it that way. K. De Coito: Same here… W. Camara: OK. So now can I move to permanently have a district report on the agenda? So each district has a moment to give a report whether they have one or not. They can say so at this meeting and have time for that. \[Discussion\] C. Masuda: I think what the motion – from what the discussion sounds like – is a motion to have permanently on the agenda, a section in the agenda, where representatives from each of the districts can raise issues that they want to talk about on the next agenda. That way notification is given and they can say that we want DLNR present to answer this, or the police here to answer that, and then as a group, you folks decide at the end of the meeting, you know, cause this will come through the end of the meeting anyway, OK, we’re gonna put this on the agenda from District 1 we’re gonna put this item, from District 2 we’re gonna put this item, from District 3 we’re gonna put these two items because the body – GMAC as a body decides that these two are very important items for the entire County. I think that’s what you folks are looking at. K. De Coito: See but now it’s like it’s not a Willie-Joe’s issue. C. Masuda: Yeah. 17 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 K. De Coito: It’s our issue and maybe Ike can add to whatever issues he has, he can enlighten to in my issues that I have, but we have to do it. W. Camara: Yeah, right. K. De Coito: So in other words, we can ask those questions, he can ask that questions, Ike can ask that questions, even though it’s pertaining to what I already asked for my district. But we can ask the questions, every one of us. C. Masuda: Yeah Chair Lodge: OK. I understand the motion is at the end of each meeting each District Commissioner will bring district items to the Commission for discussion as to what would be important to add to the following month’s agenda. Action: W. Camara moved that GMAC permanently have a section toward the end of the meeting for each representative to bring items to the table to discuss at the next meeting and that item(s) to be on the next agenda; Seconded by K. De Coito. Motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 3. Lisa Hadway – Game Rules and Regulations – Strategy if Delayed a. HRS License Fee Increase b. HRS Hunting Days L. Hadway: So as I understand what you were wondering about was the Game Rules and where they’re at. As I mentioned at the last meeting, they’ve come out of the Attorney General’s Office and we’d like to get them to the next step is to get them to the Board of Land and Natural Resources. As we had indicated when this process started, they would be posted for 30 days prior to that. We had th determined that the best - that would be the October 24 meeting before the board. That’s the plan as it is now. We hope to have them posted around by st around the 21 of September. They’re in final review and polish in terms of making sure the maps are accurate, etc. I do apologize for the length of time it has taken. We’ve lost our Game Program Manager – I mean our – well we haven’t had a Game Program Manager for – since Mr. Johnson passed away. And then Marie Morrin departed and so we’re doing this internally with the existing staff but we’re able to move it out. We did have the hopes that we were st going to be hiring and getting out Game Management Biologist on by October 1 and that individual, I believe it was last week or the week before, declined the position because they took a new position on the mainland. So we will be re- recruiting for that and we’ll be happy if anybody would apply that’s qualified. And I’ll let you know when that goes to external recruitment, so you folks can pass it on to your, your various list serves, etc. In terms of process, after, I know your question at the last meeting was when do the rules go into effect. So I did – I looked into what the process is beyond the Board of Land and Natural Resources 18 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 – if they do approve the rules, they will then move back to, I believe, it’s the small business advisory board, that takes one last look at them. If they’re fine with them, then they pass up to – out of the AG’s for final review then to the Lt. Governor’s Office and once they’re out of the Lieutenant Governor’s Office they take in effect ten days after they leave his office or her office \[unclear\]. So at this point, you know, there’s another board that would have to meet after the Board of Land and Natural Resources – that’s the Sunshine’s Board – so I believe there’s Sunshine so that’s – it’ll probably take a couple months after they leave the October meeting. They will be posted on the DLNR Division of Forestry & Wildlife website and we’ll be sure we’ll have the email list of those that were involved in the commenting and we’re hoping to email all those individuals, we won’t be able to attach the file, but we’ll be able to notify them. That’s the idea and I’m very grateful for the staff that I have that’s helping move the process forward. Chair Lodge: So you’re looking at tentatively, if everything went swimmingly – what would be the – like January? L. Hadway: You know, yeah, hopefully by January 2015. K. De Coito: I have one question. Now with all these department positions that you wasn’t filled for whatever reasons or passing on, passing on or what have you – how can you determine with the people and bodies you have the this is what it’s supposed to be – without having the right input from the right departments? L. Hadway: Well, I think we still have – so the individual that was the Program Manager is now the Branch Manager on Maui. So I will have support from him. I will also have support from the Game Biologist on all of the islands, particularly Shane DeMattos from Maui, who’s been assisting with the statewide and then also Jason Misaki from Maui and all the wildlife biologists out on the branches have been around for a long time and they’re all putting input into it, like Joey and Hans on this island. So they’re all involved, but I’m, but, like I said that the originating institutional knowledge is still there. There’s just some folks in different positions but we have been very hopeful to have that Ed Johnson’s position filled. We have to remember we were – we were in a – when the federal sequester – sequestration came about – we were under a hiring freeze as well. Chair Lodge: You know, when it comes out, are the fees and everything going to be immediate – they’re gonna start it… L. Hadway: Everything, as I understand it, will go into play ten days after they after they leave the Lieutenant Governor’s Office. Chair Lodge: Do you know if the fees are like $20.00 or whatever? 19 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 L. Hadway: No. Chair Lodge: OK. I have another question. This came out originally in 2007 or whenever to look at the Game Rules in 2008. I think it went in for and the big deal there was money for the Wildlife Revolving Fund – well there’s still some issues that are pending that I don’t see on the revised – are the birds – are the revised birds anywhere electronically? L. Hadway: The – all of these will be put – the revised versions are – we’re st hoping to have out by September 21. So the, the current rules that are gonna hit th the Board on October 24, they’re just going through their final like polish to make sure all the branches have one last look and that the AG’s – that the maps are accurate and everything and then we’re gonna post them. So both the 122 and 123… Chair Lodge: Well, it’s taken like six years to get this thing going and there are some things that are coming out with these new rules that aren’t what many of these hunters have asked to have changed. So when can the review process start over and can we ask you to start, you know, like in the middle of the month, you know, March or whatever, to start another review process of some of the things that haven’t been addressed. L. Hadway: I believe that more than like clean-up will happen soon after they come out and, you know, generally a rules change if it’s done as efficiently as possible, can take usually around 18 months to two years – typically. So, again, this has been very – it’s been unfortunate and do apologize and I’m doing everything I can to get them pushed out. Chair Lodge: Must cost a million dollars… K. De Coito: I got a question. How can the, we as one GMAC right here County, how can we get one copy outside of just you guys to be approved? I mean just so we can review it? st Chair Lodge: Well, the 21, right? L. Hadway: Yeah. K. De Coito: Yeah, but that’s the public can see it too, right? L. Hadway: Yeah. K. De Coito: Everybody. That’s what I’m saying. Why couldn’t we see it prior to it being publicized. I mean that means, it’s just like anybody could just read ‘em. I was just asking why couldn’t we as a Game Management for the County of 20 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 Hawaii review it before it becomes public – before public view that way maybe we could address the issues before. L. Hadway: You know, but, because they’ve gone through a process of public hearings – there’s a really – as Craig was mentioning, I think it’s HRS 91, the rules making process – once you get a rule through that process you can’t change them – make substantive changes in that time period. So what the process was, is once we gathered all the comments we had to take in all those comments, make the adjustments and then send that through the Attorney General’s. So basically, what’s coming out is the result of those public hearings… K. De Coito: And the comments is from…. L. Hadway: Hundreds of people all over the state – all the islands. Chair Lodge: That was a question – for when is it going to come up for review again…when it starts… L. Hadway: So once the rules are, if approved, and they’re put out – they will, you know, we could open that back up again. We, I would like to be sure that’s there’s the proper kind of staff in place, for example, a legal fellow or some sort support staff that’s very good at moving administrative rules through the formal process that is involved with it. Chair Lodge: There’s a lot of issues, I know, the bird hunters have and questions also. L. Hadway: Yeah, I believe there’s gonna be no question, there’ll be ideas about improvements to the set of rules. And of anything, I would love to see them simplified myself, but… M. Bartell: This is Mark from Kona. So, Lisa, when did this process start? L. Hadway: I honestly don’t even know. I know it was after the lawsuit and we lost the stamp and then that was the intention and then it went from there… M. Bartell: Someone said 2007? Chair Lodge: I think that’s when the lawsuit was – when it was finalized, I think, and I think that’s when we started the public hearings. M. Bartell: So 2007, it’s now 2014. So seven years to make changes to hunting rules. So number 1, just an observation, it’s obviously an insignificant priority somewhere within the government otherwise it shouldn’t take seven years. So that’s an observation. Cause, you know, it’s important if we got it handled way quicker. Do we understand how another state might do this? 21 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 L. Hadway: You know, I would say given HRS 91 which is the administrative rulemaking process that no matter what department or entity you are, you have to follow that rules making process. So I don’t know that other states have the same process I’m sure you could research it. M. Bartell: Got it. L. Hadway: I’m sure you can research it. Some other states probably have other flexibility. Some of the things that we’re having to change in the rules and have to be in our rules perhaps could be changed in the statutes so that would – could provide more flexibility and they wouldn’t have to be reflected in the rules. T. Sylvester: How do we achieve that? M. Bartell: Right… L. Hadway: I’ll give you a precise example. In 183D it says that fees have to be set by rule and then perhaps if that didn’t say that, that means that we could perhaps set fees in front of the Board of Land and Natural Resources with a hearing. I don’t know that they – but we need Attorney Generals to review it – but that’s the kind of legislative change to the statute that could perhaps happen to make the rules making process more efficient and more, more, you know, modern. When you look at what the hunting fees are, it’s going to be $10.00. Chair Lodge: On that issue – we have to have \[unclear\] question… L. Hadway: The exhibit I saw has it as $10.00. M. Bartell: So, I understand the fee question, so are bag limits part of this whole process as well? L. Hadway: Yes. M. Bartell: So if you’re – if the 2 biologists from the Big Island concur that for whatever environmental reason – pick an animal – either a pig, the pigs, or a birds or something is in major distress and we have to slow down… L. Hadway: Change the rules…. M. Bartell: Change the rules, we have to go through this process? L. Hadway: Yes. 22 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 M. Bartell: Or if, if we find there are too many pigs in a certain part of the island and we want to eliminate some of those pigs to bring the population down, we have to go through a process? L. Hadway: Yes. M. Bartell: Yes. Chair Lodge: \[Unclear\] L. Hadway: Same rules. That’s the one difference we could do. We could do a – like if it was an agricultural situation or causing damage we could ask for a special animal control… Chair Lodge: \[Unclear\] native forest as well as agriculture, right? L. Hadway: Yeah. And so for example the hunt at Puuwaawaa is being – is happening that way. But to technically change the bag limit - yes, it would have to go through a rules and my preference would be to make that far more flexible and nimble. But we’ve been dealt the cards that we have and I’m trying to finish that process and then if we could be more creative in the future and think about ways that we could be more efficient, I’m totally open to that. T. Lodge: I have a question about that – cause I know that Dick Hofflinger brought up that specific issue. Why wasn’t that included in the new rules? L. Hadway: You know, I, I don’t know the whole history there you’re talking about – half of my career at DOFAW that wasn’t involved in this process – but I would think that moving forward if there’s a way to study the statute I’d say with like a legal fellow or something and you guys could discuss some of the kinds of ideas that you have – the things you’d like to see being more flexible – then make sure that the statute reflects the ability to do that, as I’m learning, because then we can not be set in this rules making process. You know, even for all kinds of other things that we manage, for example, if you start naming specific say if wildlife sanctuaries that you want to add another wildlife sanctuary – you actually have to change the rules to actually add it in. Chair Lodge: If we were able to look at… D. Yoshina: Tom, I think we got to remember why these rules are there, right. I mean they’re not there for no reason. L. Hadway: Right. D. Yoshina: And it took a lawsuit to get this thing changed so that they have to go through the public hearing. I mean, so, you know, if we’re going to start toying 23 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 with this stuff, we should at least understand the history of this thing. And I not pointing fingers at anybody particularly, but, you know, it took a lawsuit because DLNR was going to change a rule without public hearing. And so the law suit said, wait a minute, you have to have public hearings. So, if we are in the process of saying we’re going to recommend changes to that – I would suggest that we do that rather softly, right. Which brings up another issue for me. I’m sorry to… Chair Lodge: Can I address this one thing, though, that you mentioned on that. I agree with you. We shouldn’t be changing major rules without administrative rules, but I think we’re having an issue like bag limits, right? Bag limits take an administrative rule change rather than a decision by DOFAW and their biologist. We should probably be looking at giving the biologist the right to make the difference on the bag limits. Rather than have to wait seven years to get the bag rules changed for a bird… D. Yoshina: I can agree with the those kind of thoughts, but for me, I’ve always come back to a question of, what is the policy? And for the past year or so, I’ve been reading stuff, I’ve been thinking about stuff, you know it’s very difficult for me to determine what the game policy is in the State of Hawaii or what the fish, you know, aquatics policy is in the State of Hawaii. I understand what it says in the constitution and I understand what it says in the statute, but I don’t understand how it’s been interpreted and practiced in the state. And by that I mean, if you have a policy that says you’re going to manage your game resources and you have no game management plan, what does that say about the policy? And so the question I have for DLNR and perhaps the Land Board is so what is your policy? Do you have a policy? And from what I’m seeing – having read the federal laws, it seems to me the federal laws drive the state laws. And the state has, in fact, just rolled over and said, whatever you tell us to do, we’re gonna do it. So as a first step in this whole thing, I’d like to know what is the policy of DOFAW, DOBAR, all of these guys. What is their understanding of the state law. They should come in and publically tell the people of the State of Hawaii how they see their job. What is the policy they’re supposed to be implementing? Chair Lodge: Would you like them to come back and discuss that with us? D. Yoshina: It would be a good starting point. K. De Coito: You know and this is Kalani again, that is so on the money, Ike. On the money, Ike. You know and that’s what it is, you know, what is the policy, you know, do you have data to support that in writing, you know, any type of reports stating that kind stuff. I mean… L. Hadway: We have our Pittman Robertson five-year plan. 24 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 We have our hunting areas that have been designated as different units. We have our hunter check stations. We have game biologists who are assisting and implementing. We have our license sales. We have 183D. We have a whole broad brush of mandates to take care of and hunting is one of those mandates. D. Yoshina: How do we integrate all of that? How do we integrate, as an example? Excuse me, but how do we integrate our hunting policies with our environmental protection policies. Because, you know, right on that space, when you build a fence, you have in fact interrupted the migratory habits of the mammals. And that has consequence. So it seems that we should have a bigger approach to all of this and much of the frustration that people are feeling is over that. We’re not saying you’re wrong, at least I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying somewhere along the line somebody has to integrate all this stuff – we should have a comprehensive, integrated, resource management plan, rather than what I have come to understand to be our resource management plan in the State of Hawaii, which is sectoral, it’s divisive, it make an enemy of the environmentalists, which I detest highly because all my life I’ve been an environmentist But you know, it bothers me that we’re at this stage… L. Hadway: Well indeed… D Yoshina: ….fifty years after the state became a state. You know we’re at this point where our policies don’t make much sense and people are beginning to see that. And so, you know, I’m sorry, but you know DLNR catches it on the nose. We don’t trust you guys, why I say we generally, you know. Or we don’t trust government, we don’t do this, so… L. Hadway: So if I may… D. Yoshina: Can’t we solve the problem? L. Hadway: I don’t think we’re going to solve it tonight. D. Yoshina: I know. L. Hadway: I am in front of you because I’m interested in doing that, OK? D. Yoshina: So what can we do? L. Hadway: And we can actually work together in the an effective way. Sunshine Law isn’t always the easiest way to do that. I will tell you that if we had sub-committees of people who could actually look at maps and come up with, I would think, a facilitative process would being viable but there also is the need for willingness to understand some of the things that we also have to live with. And this is the endangered species capital of the world and I will tell you that some of the biggest struggles I make – I go to national conferences talking about 25 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 the difficulties we have managing – we can’t even build affordable housing because of endangered species issues. But, we also are one of the most unique places in the world and it makes us – it’s an incredible place for all of us – and being at DOFAW and the short time I’ve been the administrator, I recognize listening to you guys that things need to be more comprehensive and looked at in a broader way. I have programs that have negative funding – the trails program. The balance on the staff minus $93,000. The balance in the Wildlife Revolving Fund minus $25,000. I’ve got a deal with matching federal dollars which are coming on in Pittman Robertson and I don’t even have the state money to match it and I’m working very hard to make sure that, that is happening. D. Yoshina: You know Lisa, no one is saying that you’re not… L. Hadway: I come to these meetings and consistently get reamed and I’m here because I want to work with you guys. D. Yoshina: What I’m trying to tell you is, that there are a lot of people that are willing to work with you guys but there’s no opportunity to do that. L. Hadway: So that’s why I’m saying… D. Yoshina: You know, we just had an example here. There’s a transfer of a state park, from the state to the county and the important part of that is left out. So much so that now we’re up against a bird hunting season… L. Hadway: Are you sure it’s left out? I mean we’ve… st D. Yoshina: Are you going to tell me that by November 1, we’re going to have these things shrunken down. I doubt that very much. L. Hadway: Well, we’ll have them certainly researched very well and come up with an idea of how it can be addressed. D. Yoshina: But the season for birds starts in November. So, I mean, these guys who go up to Mauna Kea, myself included, are going to be impacted by that. So, you know, can we talk to Steve and his group? I don’t know, you know, but I keep hearing that everybody wants to talk to everybody else but nobody does it. L. Hadway: Well, I think what would be really valuable is if we were sure to kind of have – I think you’ve raised – they were very good questions raised for regarding those issues – and I think if we had the time and the place to make sure that we were able to bring those answers forward, sounds like the dog issue may be addressed. The gun issue is probably a significant one because they’re probably thinking about other users besides just hunters as well and it’s probably an overall public policy with guns in public places, other than hunting. And so 26 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 how do those things get resolved. If we find out what State Parks did and making sure that, that was used as a template by the County. Chair Lodge: Oh, I was reminded by our Corporation Counsel not to end – we are going to close here in a couple of minutes. \[Unclear discussion not picked up by recorder\] Chair Lodge: Yeah, that parks issue – he is addressing and there’s a couple more questions that came up tonight that I’ll bring to him in the morning, to Mr. Honma. OK, Lisa, thank you. I appreciate that. C. Masuda: Bobby you want to open the Mauna Kea thing for just a second? B. Command: Two or three minutes. Chair Lodge: OK. B. Command: OK. I just want to read you a couple of things. Mauna Kea State Park will be closed for renovation starting Tuesday, July 1 and remain closed until further notice. However, temporary restrooms will be provided to accommodate the public. They’ll be kept open around the clock and located in the administrative building fronting the entrance. Shut down is needed to expedite the work and ensure public safety while the parks, restrooms, parking lot, picnic areas and other things are refurbished. Maintenance crews will be using heavy equipment to improve the park located at the 34 mile marker, blah, blah, blah. And then I have found the MOA. I’ll go ahead and send you a link to the MOA which is located on the DLNR website. I’ll just read you one paragraph here. So it’s State Parks consulted with DOFAW on the process of implementing the transfer, DOFAW staff concurred that the MOA is an appropriate initial instrument but the appropriate direction for the transfer should be set aside for the areas to be managed by the County and withdrawal of this area from the Mauna Kea Forest Reserve. DOFAW provided their informational concurrence with the MOA and transfer or management and land areas to the County through the set aside and withdrawal process. You can read the rest of this but that’s probably the most important paragraph. Link to MOA: http://files.hawaii.gov/dlnr/meeting/submittals/140328/E-4.pdf Chair Lodge: Essentially is what they’re saying is that the County is in control of that, so to speak. B. Command: Yeah. But you go ahead and I’ll send you the link by email and you guys can take a look at it yourself, if you want to put it on the next agenda, go ahead and we’ll talk about it. 27 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 C. Masuda: Chairman I just talked to Mr. Pacheco. Earlier you allowed him to testify after Miss Hadway. You know Mr. .Pacheco says, at this time he’ll waive his right to testify on this issue so you can just move on. Chair Lodge: OK. All right. Thank you. Tony… T. Sylvester: I just wanted to make two announcements. One was for Ryan Kohatsu their club group provided food after the hurricane in Puna so I wanted to be on record to thank them for that. And I also wanted to thank Lisa and the DOFAW staff for the cattle hunts at Puu O – you know that’s something that took a lot of extra work to do and hopefully we can continue to do that. That’s something that wasn’t required or needed, so we got to give some credit to DOFAW for stepping up and helping out with that cause I’m sure that’s taking a lot of budget to run that project and thank you, Lisa, for that. D. Yoshina: I’d like to add something. Lisa, thanks for being here, I did not want to give you the impression that I’m reaming you out because I’m not. I’m just telling you that this is the general feeling I get. And so if we want to, and I say “we”, if we want to address these questions or issues – we need to have the opportunity to do that. GMAC can’t do it alone. You know, we want to start talking about what the policies are for this state and we have to have that understanding. And if we disagree on the policy, I mean, we all got to be big enough to say, yeah, well, you know, but we can’t get, and I understand what you’re talking about when you talk about the ESA, right. I mean, that is a heavy duty law. And there are white papers in Congress right now \[unclear\] yeah. And you know the scary thing about that is, that has traction with a lot of guys on the land here. And so if we want to avoid the conflicts that are going to come, eh, by all means, let’s sit down and talk. Let’s work it out, let’s have these issues talked about. Because when we have to balance our previous environment with housing for the poor or for the less, you know, affordable housing, you’ve got to do something. And those are major issues and they’re coming up…you know. K. De Coito: And I want to add to that one because that’s exactly what I’m trying to get at – is like how can the County and GMAC help the situation. I mean even we need to understand this. If Mauna Kea State Park take over – or Adopt the Park Program for the County or adopt one trail at a County level – fine! But give us that permission at the State level – the County through the State. Just like Friends of the Park – they killed the park. Well, at the State level through the County. So we’re asking for my part. How can we get involved and not just shoved down our throats? Easy, simple and not have say, you know, go out with Nature Conservancy whoevers so this is what it is. No, public like help. I mean I get one pile guys just waiting for that fence! They don’t make that fence but I got boys that going just come there with their own posts \[unclear\] pounders and pound those fence. They just needed somebody to purchase it. So we worked it out because that was benefiting us. 28 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 Chair Lodge: Kalani… K. De Coito: But no, she needs to know this kind of stuff that is what we need to work on and yeah, I understand. But she needs to be enlightened that now, we here for her too, and we understand that. Chair Lodge: \[Unclear\] you need to convey… K. De Coito: No I want to do it all publically. The public with everybody can hear that – that she knows and not hearsay. Everybody on record. Thank you. Chair Lodge: Do ley noted . Noted, right L. Hadway: Right. \[Laugher\] K. De Coito: Trust me. Internet, unreal. Internet, unreal. L. Hadway: Ask me, I know. K. De Coito: So when meeting phone calls, by the time I reach home the guys know what I was talking about already. \[Laugher\] VIII. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: Chair Lodge: We have some Old Business that we’re gonna postpone until next time. Tony has some legislative stuff – trail and access stuff – he had some issues on that. We have some properties that we’re looking at that we’ll bring forth to the next, if they’re still available actually. IX. NEXT MEETING: : Chair LodgeOur next meeting is going to be October 20 and we have some tentative people that want to be on the agenda already so we’ll have our agenda out early and if we can get the minutes or this maybe out in a couple of weeks if possible or at least the summary. I appreciate that. X. ADJOURNMENT: Action: W. Camara moved to adjourn; seconded by M. Bartell. Motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 29 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – September 15, 2014 Chair Lodge adjourned the meeting at 8:54 p.m. Respectfully submitted by, Barbara Kossow Secretary ATTEST Tom Lodge Chair 30