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Permit No. 408. It’s a—I’m, I don’t have a problem that they are maybe providing a service to
<br />the community, but that’s not really the issue.
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<br />HENKEL: Mr. Chair, I don’t see them as establishing a collectibles business. That’s, that was
<br />during Merry Monarch. It’s not a permanent, you know, thing that they’re putting on, to my
<br />knowledge. And, as far as you know, having commerce at town meetings or gatherings, I don’t,
<br />I don’t have a real problem with that either. It would, it would, it’d be like saying that the Girl
<br />Scouts couldn’t sell cookies at a Girl Scout Meeting as a fundraiser.
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<br />HEAUKULANI: Under this SMA permit, I don’t think they could.
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<br />MIYASATO: Commissioner Ikeda?
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<br />IKEDA: Yes, thank you Mr. Chair. You know, I, I don’t have anything against their selling, but
<br />I think they should amend the conditions that a—on their permits, and then that would make it
<br />very clear. Right now, it’s kind of hazy, and so, I kind of support the Director’s
<br />Recommendation and have them come back and make a, and amend their permits.
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<br />MIYASATO: Commissioner Henkel?
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<br />HENKEL: If they’re granted an ambiguous permit, is it their responsibility to change it? I
<br />mean, it seems to me that the problem is with the Commission in 2000, if, if indeed the permit is
<br />ambiguous.
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<br />IKEDA: I don’t know. When I read the minutes, it, they, they were stated. Is this all you want
<br />and they agreed that’s all they wanted. And, so I have to—I only can go on based on what I have
<br />on the minutes. And they were asked, and they were agreeable to what they were presented or
<br />what they had asked for. I think these are all coming up later on as--I don’t fault them. I think
<br />they’re doing a good job, but I think, I still feel they should amend their conditions.
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<br />DARROW: Mr. Chairman, if I can interject. I—when the warning letter was issued, it was for a
<br />specific use, the collectible sale business, and then when we received a response from the
<br />Gambles, it went into even greater detail regarding uses that are so-called considered permitted
<br />under the public and town meetings, including farmers’ markets as mentioned earlier, classes
<br />from the University of Hawai‛i, fundraising, auctions, classes, concerts, sales, and tours. So,
<br />again, the concern was that it’s like an open-ended permit that you could justify any type of use
<br />under this community and town meeting definition.
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<br />HENKEL: Mr. Chair?
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<br />MIYASATO: Commissioner Henkel?
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<br />HENKEL: Specifically, if we ask the Gambles are you establishing a collector’s business, I, I
<br />think their answer would be no.
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