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<br />HICKCOX: Excuse me. I’m assuming at this juncture that all efforts have been made to try and <br />mitigate this, your concerns, in reference to the issues at hand. <br /> <br />SONG: Mr. Hickcox, we wouldn’t be here if, if that was --. <br /> <br />HICKCOX: -- I asked the question; I didn’t need “Mr. Hickcox, we wouldn’t be here.” My <br />question is --. <br /> <br />SONG: -- Yes --. <br /> <br />HICKCOX: -- Very straightforward; all efforts have been made to attempt to mitigate these issues <br />prior to coming here. That’s all I’m asking. <br /> <br />SONG: Yes. <br /> <br />HICKCOX: Thank you very much. <br /> <br />BEAUDET: Staff? <br /> <br />KANUHA: Do you need the criteria? <br /> <br />BEAUDET: Yeah, I just wanted them to explain the qualifiers for standing. <br /> <br />KANUHA: Mr. Chairman and Members of the Commission, the criteria for defining standing is <br />pretty straightforward. There’s four components to it: The first one is whether or not the interest in <br />the matter at hand is clearly distinguishable from that of the general public, okay; the second criteria <br />is whether or not this is a government agency whose jurisdiction includes the land involved in the <br />subject request, and in this case that doesn’t apply; the next criteria is whether or not the petitioners <br />lawfully reside on or have some property interest in the land involved in the subject request, and, <br />obviously, they don’t reside on the property, they don’t have any property interest, but as you can <br />see, they are, you know, in immediate proximity to the property in question; and the last criteria is <br />whether or not the applicant or applicants are persons or person descended from Native Hawaiians <br />who inhabited the Hawaiian Islands prior to 1778, who practiced those rights which were <br />customarily and traditionally exercised for subsistence, cultural, or religious purposes, and the <br />particular criteria doesn’t apply here. <br /> <br />BEAUDET: Thank you, Director. Okay, next I’d like to ask the applicant if they have any concern <br />or objection to the intervenor standing, or petitioner standing. <br /> <br />FUKE: Mr. Chairman and Members of the Commission, I think the applicant is fully aware that <br />the, you know, some members of the intervening parties are, requested parties rather, are adjoining <br />property owners, and we believe that they do meet the test for standings. <br /> <br />BEAUDET: Thank you, Sidney. Okay, with that, Commissioners, I’d like to ask for a motion to <br />grant or to deny standing. <br /> <br />UNGER: I’d like to make a motion to grant standing. <br /> <br />27 <br />EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />