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MIYASATO: Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth on this matter now before the Hawai‛i
<br />County Planning Commission?
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<br />SHAW: Yes.
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<br />MIYASATO: Okay, could you please state your name and residence, and you have three
<br />minutes.
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<br />SHAW: Geoff Shaw, and my residence is Orchidland. So, anyhow, I just wanted to say that I
<br />had a discussion with a friend of mine. He’s an artist, and I was discussing his painting that
<br />depicted, you know, hula dancing. One painting was depicted hula dancing at the Merry
<br />Monarch Festival, and the other was, was a—a image of the telescopes with sea urchins and
<br />stuff. And, you know, in the process of discussing this painting with somebody who has lived
<br />here for 30 years, and seems to you know have a pretty, who I thought would have a pretty good
<br />understanding of the culture, when we started talking about the situation up there on Mauna Kea,
<br />you know, he started bringing up stuff like how many of those kids actually have alters and do
<br />ceremonies and stuff up there, you know. And, I was like that, that doesn’t really mean
<br />anything. I mean, they, they’ve grown up their whole lives seeing those telescopes up there and
<br />you know, the older practitioners, they can probably remember when Mauna Kea was, was a,
<br />you know, just a, just a vacant property with no road up there or anything, and you had to hike
<br />up there. You know, and it had a whole different concept then, but now, you know, it, it’s been,
<br />you know, it’s been transformed into something different, and you know, I don’t blame the kids
<br />for, for wanting to recapture, you know, the, the a---the presence that was there before. And, you
<br />know, I guess to a certain extent, you can never get that back, but you can’t blame them for, for
<br />trying. And, you know, I would have thought that this person that I was having this discussion
<br />with would already understand that, but obviously that’s not the case. And, you know, I can’t
<br />speak for Hawaiians, but it seems like a lot of Hawaiians have kind of forgotten, you know, so I
<br />just, I’m trying to reiterate that this is a study that needs to be made if for no other reason than to
<br />be, begin the, the discussion, and you know, put a, put a, you know, to, to, to give it some, some
<br />credibility.
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<br />So, anyhow, that’s all I have to say.
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<br />MIYASATO: Thank you. Commissioners, any questions? If not, thank you. We have Robert
<br />Petricci and Palikapu Dedman. You both can come up at one time. Could you please both raise
<br />your right hands? Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth on this matter now before the Hawai‛i
<br />County Planning Commission?
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<br />PETRICCI/DEDMAN: (nodded affirmatively)
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<br />MIYASATO: Please state your name and residence, and you have three minutes.
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<br />PETRICCI: I’m going to follow Pali if you don’t mind.
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<br />MIYASATO: Okay, go ahead.
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