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Grandma and Grandpa never to go on that heiau. That was taboo to us. But like a young kid, don’t <br />listen, I went, and I got a lickin’ because when Grandma tell you do something, you do it; you don’t <br />go against them. And that till today I respect what she told me. And I don’t know the reason why <br />she told us that, but that was my lesson of that heiau. As youngsters, we used to play all in that area. <br />Also, I can tell you there was a trail that lead from the pūnāwai in the back of the coconut grove all <br />way down. We used to call it Kalani Kai; they call it Kahalu‘u Beach Park now. That was the name <br />of the place, and Granma always told us Kalani Kai, not Kahalu‘u Beach Park. See, that is my lineal <br />to the property. So if anybody wants to ask questions on my site, this is my family tie to the property. <br />Okay? I’m not against the project. Education is something everybody needs. And to keep our <br />culture moving forward, I agree with what you are doing. But I just wanted to state where Grandpa <br />and Grandma lived. Thank you. <br /> <br />UNGER: Thank you, Commissioner Kaholo. At this time we would like to open up the meeting to <br />allow for public testimony. We have 21 people signed up to testify. In the interest of time and to <br />allow everybody the opportunity to testify, we are asking that you limit your testimony to three <br />minutes. <br /> <br />SALAVEA: Mr. Chair, if I may, if I could ask, we do have an overflow situation. Would it be <br />possible for some of the children, or the school kids, to sit in this area, so we can rearrange and allow <br />this area more access for the testifiers? <br /> <br />UNGER: That’s fine, that’s fine. <br /> <br />SALAVEA: Thank you. <br /> <br />UNGER: Testifiers, as you come up, you’ll be sworn in, and then please state your name and where <br />you reside. <br /> <br />SHIMAOKA: Yeah, you guys are going to have to move further up because you are going to block <br />access for the testifiers over there, so the students come all the way up front here. <br /> <br />UNGER: Okay, Deborah Chang, Kalei Nuuhiwa and Mr. Dickson. And Kalani Hamm. Please raise <br />your right hand. Do you swear and affirm to tell the truth before the Planning Commission? <br /> <br />TESTIFIERS: I do. <br /> <br />UNGER: Please state your name and where you reside. <br /> <br />CHANG: Do you want us to just go down the line? <br /> <br />UNGER: Sure, that’s fine. <br /> <br />CHANG: Okay. <br /> <br />HAMM: Kalani Hamm, Kahalu‘u Mauka. <br /> <br />8 <br />EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />