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envisioned as a wilderness park; it is far from that today, and maybe that designation needs to be <br />rethought. But the levels of use especially at Manini‘ōwali, which just came out on TripAdvisor <br />th <br />as a 14 most visited beach in the country, the use there by our public needs to be addressed and <br />managed in ways that accommodate the public use, but not overuse our resources. You know, if it <br />was me and I went to the beach and there was no shower, I deal with it, you know, you dust the <br />sand off of your shoes and do whatever you need to do. If there is not a flush toilet and there is a <br />vault toilet, use the vault toilet. You know, you are saving water costs, you are saving electric <br />pumping costs, you are saving all sorts of money. And I’m starting to rumble. <br /> <br />WHITTEMORE: We are going to need you to wrap up here real quick. <br /> <br />CAMARA: Okay. <br /> <br />WHITTEMORE: Yeah. <br /> <br />CAMARA: One concern at Manini‘ōwali that I have is at the stairs that are going to be built need <br />to be of materials that are pretty bombproof and maintenance free. I’m hoping that will be cement <br />with maybe stainless steel railings to, you know, for people to hold onto, because, again, <br />maintenance, maintenance is a very large problem. And I think I’m done. <br /> <br />WHITTEMORE: Okay, thank you. <br /> <br />CAMARA: You’re welcome. <br /> <br />WHITTEMORE: Commissioners, any questions of Mr. Camara? Okay, thank you. Do we have <br />any other testifiers here today that have not yet signed up? Okay. Thank you. Commissioners, do <br />you have any further questions that you want to raise at this time to either the applicant or to the <br />testifiers? <br /> <br />SHIMAOKA: Yeah, I had one. I know that – for the State Parks people, yeah, please – I know <br />one of the questions was, and you stated that you guys have the bar so high as far as protecting <br />shoreline, that those kinds of considerations that were mentioned have been taken, I mean, <br />considered and you guys have those things in place. I noticed when he was suggesting the type of <br />rail, that you were saying that we were already doing that; so I’m assuming that’s what the <br />nodding of your head was. <br /> <br />KUMABE: Yeah, Bobby had, you know, recommended that the stairway be made of durable <br />materials. Yes, it will be concrete, and, yes, it will be stainless-steel handrails. <br /> <br />WHITTEMORE: Any other questions? Bobby. <br /> <br />COMMAND: Just for context, it says in your presentation here, or in the documents here, that <br />there is about a quarter of a million visitors to Mahai‘ula, that area, every year. What are the <br />numbers at a place like Hāpuna or your other State parks on the island? Just for context. <br /> <br />12 <br />EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />