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HEAUKULANL Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Commissioners, do you have any other <br />questions for Mr. Owens at this time? <br />MIYASATO: I have one. <br />HEAUKULANL Commissioner Miyasato, please. <br />MIYASATO: I guess just to clarify. I might have misunderstood, but is Puna being site specific <br />within the application. Did you mention that as a problem? <br />OWENS: Yes, the rule requires Puna and not Big Island. So, there were sections where in the <br />Edelstein report, it was talking about Puna, but in the, I think it's called the preamble, it's talking <br />about the Big Island, and their survey is going to be for the Big Island as a whole. If they're <br />gonna do that, they probably don't want to write it since the rule requires for Puna. <br />MIYASATO: The rule for the fund? Is that what you're talking about? <br />OWENS: Yes. For the majority of the "a class of people." It says a majority of the people of <br />Puna. I would read that as a class of people in Puna. <br />MIYASATO: I guess with the nature of this study being cultural as well as religious, if you <br />practice Pele as part of your religion and not live in Puna, that would still impact you even if you <br />lived in another section of the island. <br />OWENS: It probably can if they're coming into Puna or whatever is going through on that. I <br />personally have not run into any Pele practitioners. I was raised by a Hawaiian grandmother and <br />spoke the language. I don't know what a Pele practitioner is, how they doI only know from <br />the point of a halau that would go through, but there would have to be a connection for Puna, and <br />again, where it's going to be for the Big Island, if they're gonna be branching out as far as for <br />where the rule goes and for the writing, it should just say Puna. What they do afterwards, don't <br />ask, don't tell. That happens with a lot of claims that goes through. Just meet this requirement, <br />and that's all we need. <br />MIYASATO: Okay, and when you say claimant, I guess in your opinion, is, does that need to be <br />like through a doctor, an actual—having actually seen a therapist, doctor, or someone, or <br />someone who just comes before us, testifies with a motion, and acknowledges that they have <br />suffered stress due to the geothermal operation? <br />OWENS: There would have to be something written up. The cases I'm familiar with and have <br />handled in the past for mental or spiritual issues have to be identified by someone of a higher <br />levela doctor or I suppose there could be a pastor or something along those lines—to come up, <br />but there has to be something in there that identifies it. <br />9 <br />EXHIBIT D <br />