2016-06-02 Hearing Transcript - GAF Civil Defense

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community will have confidence in, and that program as Chris said, is going to have to be source, source monitoring because that's a standard for the industry. That's how they do it in almost all the industries, and so that's a—what they have now with a few stationary samplers doesn't work. And, I've been there, like I said, for 35 years. There's been 18 declared Civil Defense emergencies at that power plant, and I don't think that there's another power plant for sure in the State of Hawaii that can come close to anything like that. I think PGV should strongly support source monitoring in this because their position has been that we're not causing a problem and, but there's no data to prove that. So, from PGV's point of view, from the community's point of view, we need to have this information. I like the CALPUFF monitoring system because after listening to Chris, it seems like that's gonna be the best for this situation. That's about it. I hope we can finally this done. It's been a long time coming, and it's in everybody's best interest. Thank you. HEAUKULANL Thank you. Commissioners, any questions for these gentlemen? CLARKSON: I HEAUKULANL Sure, Commissioner Clarkson. CLARKSON: Yes, I have a question. Does this proposal—now, correct me if I'm wrong—but, assuming that an accurate model is developed, dispersion model, for various concentrations of pollutants, when or if a release occurs, the model will only be accurate if you have a real time monitoring of current meteorological conditions. Does thisI'm, I've been looking through it. Is there any money in this proposal to actually establish on-going real-time data about wind conditions that will allow the model to predict where a release would go? BUSINGER: That's a very intuitive question. It turns out that there's a lot of synergy here. I didn't mention that I'm also the Director of the Mauna Kea Weather Center. We gather all kinds of data from NOAA and from satellites and all of the available surface observations, and ingest that into a weather and research and forecasting model which is custom run for the Mauna Kea at the Mauna Kea Weather Center. The output from that model, which then provides at high resolution, the meteorological conditions provides the input for the dispersion model that we will be running for this. The Mauna Kea Weather Center has been in operation since 1999, and it runs its model twice daily, the WRF Model. That will continue as long as there are astronomers working on Mauna Kea, so that, that output of meteorological conditions is free to this project. And, that, by the way, also provides the input for the Vog Model. So, the fact that we have a Vog Model running and that is efficient and it provides guidance for the community on where the vog is going, that also is benefitting from the Mauna Kea Weather Center. 7 EXHIBIT C