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Mr. Strauss: One final point. Mr. Underwood said that Mr. Roth represented <br />Mr. Murtagh. There's no evidence that that's the case. It's <br />contrary to the minutes ... it's contrary to the transcript. It's simply <br />a false statement. <br />Mr. Roth: I was there like I said on my own dime and I wasn't representing <br />him I was representing the truth. It seems to be something that that <br />department may need to look at. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: Thank you very much. Mr. Robinson? I have two lights going... <br />Mr. Robinson: Go ahead. Mr. Goodenow. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: Okay. <br />Mr. Goodenow: You had mentioned that there was an existing case ... statute of <br />limitations.:.being what they were you couldn't proceed. Could <br />you give us a little more information about that? <br />Mr. Roth: Sure. Mr. Murtagh was on a list to get his permit or space I think it <br />was mooring or maybe it was a dock space. Somehow his <br />documents to the Department of Land and Natural Resources and <br />someone at the Department of.Land and Natural Resources, <br />DOBOR Division changed the size of his boat so he was no longer <br />eligible for that boat size. Mr. Murtagh has had all sorts of things <br />happen. As a matter of fact, the reason I went to this hearing <br />while I was investigating that ease and asking DLNR to do further <br />investigations ... the DOCARE officers. All of a sudden this audit <br />comes up. We're told it's a random audit. At the hearing it wasn't <br />a random audit ... it was a target audit. You know there's about <br />four different things ... four or five Mr. Murtagh ... you can bring <br />him back up ... he can tell you all the different things that happened. <br />When all these things happened ... his son was on a list ... they <br />jumped over his son. There was all these little coincidental things <br />that when you have four or five of these coincidental things <br />happening... it's no longer a coincidence. I think it needs to be <br />investigated and that's why I was there. <br />Mr. Strauss: I can share a little bit more information about the specifics Mr. <br />Goodenow would like. In its request that Mr. Murtagh's request <br />for contested case hearing be denied submitted August 12, 2016. <br />Apparently authored by Mr. Underwood and/or his staff. It started <br />out saying that Mr. Murtagh was red flagged because he reported <br />28 <br />