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environment and that’s the main concern I have. I used to go on a mākō fishing over there, and
<br />like you know what, man, there was this stream between, you know, Kona Lagoon and Keauhou
<br />Beach Hotel, you know how he said about like springs, we used to catch ‘ōpae over there all the
<br />time, and then we used to go hook, you know, menpachi. Now there is a fence there. Then they
<br />started building the heiau, so I felt, oh, man, ah, if they are going to build this heiau and you are
<br />going to make this maybe one Polynesian Cultural Center or, you know, something great for our
<br />islands, it would be all right. Kamehameha Investments they are going backwards. They are
<br />going backwards. Now they like build this timesharing thing that, that’s actually going to ruin the
<br />environment. I mean we sacrifice so much, man. We cannot fish there anymore. We cannot do
<br />nothing over there anymore; it’s all fenced up. Please, man, for future generation, man, think
<br />about the environment. I mean you don’t want this place to just be a, you know, regular —
<br />\[CRUDELE: Okay, six minutes, Mr. Abe, I’m going to have to ask you to close. Other people
<br />need to talk as well.\] — you know, I’m sorry, but I’m going to close. Thank you.
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<br />NICOLE LUI: All right. I’m not one speaker but will try. Aloha, Māmā Simmy. Thank you.
<br />Hearings Officer, mahalo so much for even helping Simmy with her questions, maika‘i. I think
<br />for the three-minute thing for like kūpuna like Uncle Mitchell Fujisaka, that shouldn’t be a
<br />priority; I think kūpuna should have a time to talk as long as they need to, because it’s harder for
<br />them to formulate their words and go through all their pepa-s, and so that’s the one thing I wanted
<br />to share. And, aloha, County people and Towne Development. Yeah, I bring with me my māmā,
<br />Agnes Lui, Kaelemakule Lui, and my dad, Raymond Lui. My dad comes from O‘ahu but his
<br />family is all from Kohala originally. My māmā is from here; she is a Kona girl. And my
<br />great-grandparents are Mary Kawakaihimakawalu and Samson Pelekane, were married at the
<br />Healani Church at Kahalu‘u on May 26, 1917. My ancestor Ma‘a, according to family tradition
<br />and what was told to them, built the heiau of Hāpaiali‘i. In our family we call it Kāpaiali‘i, so
<br />there’s two names for us, Hāpaiali‘i as well as Kāpaiali‘i. And then Uncle Fujisaka, thank you for
<br />your testimony yesterday. I’m so, it was just a beautiful thing to hear. But my, talking with my
<br />kūpuna, my mom and dad, they are against this project, and my dad said when he was working for
<br />J. M. Tanaka – I think he knew Mr. Abe, too – way back in the day when J. M. Tanaka was still
<br />around, but, yeah, he said that a lot of the old-timers told him that that place is just filled with all
<br />kinds of sites and burials and – you know, me as the cultural monitor I have to be on this. I’m a
<br />cultural monitor for projects that have come about. I’ve been doing that for seven years. I started
<br />on the Ane Keohokālole Highway – and that’s how you say it, Ane Keohokālole, making
<br />reference to her father’s, her grandfather straight hierarch ‘Aikanaka. So, but anyway, Mayor
<br />Billy Kenoi was the head of his time, and I appreciate him and, for doing this, because cultural
<br />monitors brought a new, something to the table that was never thought of before, and my job was
<br />to – when they approached me, I said, “What does a cultural monitor do?” You know, I was like,
<br />what, I don’t know what to do. So, they said, well, so long you know about the families, so,
<br />because I’m a genealogist, I know many of the families here in Kona. And so they approached
<br />me, asked me, and I did my job, and my job was to be that liaison between the cultural people, the
<br />– I’m not trying to get a job from this, I’m not saying, you know, hire me. So, I’m just sharing
<br />that there is more other ways of doing development. And I think this, all this kind of stuff should
<br />have been brought up in the beginning, more Hawaiian community involvement, and the
<br />non-Hawaiians, you know; get plenty non-Hawaiians who are Hawaiian at heart. So, we should
<br />all be part of this planning process from the very beginning. And I think that would be, that would
<br />lend itself to we’re not having so much of this taking up you guys’ time, yeah, doing this, and
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