2017-06-27 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes

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Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 27, 2017 TN: I would figure by now that these many years have passed that upon the original document of the draft there are notes that changes may have occurred and I would figure that these notes would be on the original document that you now call a draft. So I’m asking for both – just like you Ike. JC: I’ll have to discuss with the working group and with the commission. lll. Game Rules Update – concerns such as 1200 foot pounds being required (44 mag e.g.) not legal but in a pistol, is legal. Muzzle loader bore diameter vs. projectile (sabot) TL: Game Rules update. This started in 2007 and in 2015 there was a modified draft that came out. Some small changes were made to the original but by and large none of the recommendations or requests from the public were actually incorporated into that 2015 document pretty much. Is that accurate? JM: I don’t know of any but I can’t say that for sure. TL: OK. But there’s a lot and would like to get it started again. We have been talking about getting a group together for two years now. What we would like to see and now I do know that there are some that would like to can the entire rules and regulations and start all over and I’m not sure how the rest of the commissioners feel about that but although I do agree there that there could be a lot of improvement to that document – I’m not sure that I’m behind it completely. There are some practical changes that I would like to see like in my own case being able to have a rubber blunt in my quiver, for example, and a lot of other things. Tony brought up the1200 foot pound rule for 44 mag for example, you know, not legal on a rifle, but it’s legal on a pistol and so, you know, there’s a lot of inconsistencies in this thing here that we’d like to get started on it. So I’d like to get your opinion as to how we should get started. JM: The request has to go through – I mean, you would have to forward it up if we’re going to start that. I, personally I think now that we have both commissions – I think the commissions should start to go about gathering all of the information that we want to put in and come up with a product to submit to the department and then get into our admin, which would be Jim and start the process and open it up. There’s a wide gamut of how we can do the rule changes. Rules light to rules heavy which would be tear it up and start all over, of course, what we mean is start all over first and then submit and then tear up the old ones obviously. But remember, as most of you know now, I mean, we still have a lot of people that don’t understand it – come to the office and say there should be a rule or you guys ought to do this and our rules are authorized by Hawaii Revised Statutes, right, and so Chapter 123 and 122 are authorized by 183 D – which is the wildlife rules – but we also have to comply with things like 183 Wildlife, 195 NARS... 11