2018-02-01 Hearing Transcript - HI Brewery SPP 842

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So, with this, I'll conclude with reserving the rights of this Kingdom. It's a sovereign nation, and this political question is reserved for the Hawaiian Kingdom to develop its lands. Thank you. CLARKSON: Are there any questions for this testifier from the Commission? No, if not, I will, I will say, I'll ask our Corporation Counsel to advise you about what your rights are in terms of appeal of any action that the Commission may take this morning. HALL: I'm the Commission's lawyer not anybody else's lawyer, but, yeah, anybody has a right if you feel that you have standing in this case to petition for intervention and then you can appeal it to the court if you feel that it is improper. CLARKSON: Thank you. VICENTE: I have a statement to say about that. The courts here are based on the Northwest Ordinance. They all take their oath to the U.S. Constitution. There's a conflict because the lands are Crown and Government lands. Only the Hawaiian Kingdom's courts can deal with that issue. That's why if you read Sai vs. Clinton, he went, Sai, Keanu Sai went up to the U.S. District Court in D.C. He first started in Oahu District Court which has no jurisdiction. He went up to the U.S. District Court in D.C., and he got stopped there by—he didn't understand Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. That's limited to the Ohio River Valley. It does not extend beyond. U.S. Courts do not have jurisdiction over this Kingdom. Only as agents, officers, the President, the Congress, and this case here, the Queen's protest of January 7, 1893, it's against U.S. Minister Stevens, and that goes original jurisdiction to the U.S. Supreme Court, Article 3, Section 2, Clause 2. That's the only court that can hear, and the complaint is over U.S. Minister Stevens, not the Hawaiian Kingdom. They have no jurisdiction over. So, when you talk about it goes to court, the only way you go to court in this Kingdom is a land contract which is 25 years, quiet title, and that's because there's a change in the contract. So, unless there's a contract, I hear a lot of people talk about quiet title, but where's the contract? There's a 25 -year contract, and it's always between the Hawaiian Kingdom and the individual. Never two individuals. Thank you. CLARKSON: Okay, thank you. Are there any other testifiers on this matter? If not, I'll ask for a motion to close public testimony. DELA CRUZ: So moved. HENKEL: Second. CLARKSON: All those in favor? COMMISSIONERS: Aye. CLARKSON: Opposed? Motion carries. Public testimony is closed. Do we have a motion for action? EXHIBIT A 7