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CLARKSON: Mr. Lee, I'd like to, if I can ask a question here—excuse my voice. I'd like to <br />zero in on what you consider to be normal operations. It would be my belief, and correct me if <br />I'm wrong, that this plant would be subject to dispatch by HELLO, that they would be able to <br />specify the load at which you operate and when and how long you operate. Is that correct? <br />LEE: Yes, we will be under the energy management system dispatch from the Hawaii Electric <br />Light Company. <br />CLARKSON: And, wouldn't you consider that to be normal operation to be operating under <br />dispatch? <br />LEE: That is normal operations, yes. <br />CLARKSON: Well, then, I, I don't understand why a planned shutdown and planned startup for <br />maintenance would not be considered normal operations. I can, I can easily see how a plant trip <br />a turbine trip, a grid disruption would result in an emergency and the abnormal operation, but in <br />my understanding, a planned shutdown and a planned startup, I would think one would consider <br />that to be normal operation. <br />LEE: Normal routine maintenance shutdowns are planned, so it could be considered a normal <br />operation, but not, let's say, it doesn't, if it's a turbine outage, turbine planned maintenance <br />outage, or a steam boiler outage, there are durations that could vary. So, and, mostly in the terms <br />that we use "normal" would be in the sense of operations 24/7, yeah, that's the context we've <br />been using it in. Although, from a plant maintenance standpoint, having normal maintenance is <br />normal, and you have different degrees or different levels of maintenance. So, it could be that a <br />turbine maintenance outage is not going to occur every year; it's going to occur maybe every six <br />years or, and so on. A boiler maintenance outage, depending on the boiler, how it operates and <br />how it's dispatched, based on the readings we get, there may have to be boiler maintenance <br />outages maybe once a year or maybe twice a year, but you know, the variate, the time in which <br />the unit is down for maintenance depends on what needs to be done, you know. <br />CLARKSON: One more question for me, and I'll turn it over to the rest of the Commission. <br />Does the, I assume the plant is going to have a black start diesel generator available? <br />LEE: Yes, the unit will have a black start biodiesel generator. <br />CALRKSON: Okay, biodiesel generator, and this would be used only under conditions when the <br />grid was not available. I understand that that's what black start means is when you have a dead <br />grid and you have to start up the plant without it. Will not that diesel exceed 55 dBA when it's <br />in operation? <br />LEE: Our plan is that whatever the noise source emitters are, we plan to mitigate that with our <br />noise mitigation plan, either through insulation, landscaping, different methods. We are <br />spending quite a few dollars in the design phase and the construction to, the plan is to mitigate to <br />EXHIBIT D <br />7 <br />