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MARTIN: That's right. And, that's why I went to the Homeowner's Association back in 2014. <br />I went to them, and I asked for their help. That's where I started. I went to the neighbors, asked <br />for their help. And, so I took this to the Homeowner's Association. At that time, they said I <br />couldn't go in the park, and so Verizon designed these cell sites around where we could go. And <br />unfortunately, this subdivision is so huge that it has to go where the people are. And, even if you <br />did move it to the park, the park is surrounded by homes. So what, what guarantee do you have <br />that those people wouldn't object to it? So, you just might be moving from one area to another <br />area. <br />CLARKSON: Well I have a question. How far away is this new park that was discussed as an <br />alternative site from the existing proposed site? <br />MARTIN: It's four blocks and then it's west of Kaloli. So, it's on the other side of Kaloli, four <br />blocks west. <br />CLARKSON: And, how big is the proposed new site compared to one of these, these are acre <br />lots in Hawaiian Paradise Park. How big is the, the new area? <br />MARTIN: I don't know. I <br />CLARKSON: The reason I'm, what I'm getting to is if it's four or five blocks away, but it's in a <br />much bigger area so that houses would be considerably farther from the tower than right next <br />door as in this existing case, couldn't you raise the height of the tower a few feet and still get the <br />coverage— <br />MARTIN: No. I asked that <br />CLARKSON: —that you get at a hundred and twenty five feet? <br />MARTIN: I asked that of our radio frequency engineer. No, it has to do with the actual <br />placement of it, the location of it, not the height. And, so if we were forced to move it to the <br />park, so we would probably have about four blocks going the other way, going east, that would <br />go without coverage. So, we wouldn't be able to cover the whole park. <br />CLARKSON: You mean the whole Hawaiian Paradise Park, the whole area. <br />MARTIN: Right. Cause we've already got approval for four others, and none of those are in <br />parks. You know, like I said, we started with the Homeowner's Association. This is the fifth <br />one. This would be the last tower that we would be requesting in Hawaiian Paradise Park, and <br />we couldn't adjust another cell site in order to make up the difference, if that makes sense. <br />SUZUKI (from audience): By the way, the <br />HALL: —Wait, wait. Sorry. <br />EXHIBIT B <br />5 <br />