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minutes 12-04-99Page 24 of 39 <br />RAY: Marni. <br />HERKES: And I, for one, am looking at a new department. I’m looking at folding several departments into this department. <br />HIGASHI: Yes. <br />HERKES: And I don’t look at any new staff, any new costs. I look at doing it more efficiently. <br />IRVINE: Right. <br />RAY: George. <br />MARTIN: Roland, I heard you make mention of global picture, and too bad you’re not on that committee, but if you look at <br />the systems in which we’ve lived for the past 150 - 200 years in the United States, in regards to environment, they haven’t <br />worked. They’ve never worked. And if you’re going to actually go looking for a model to mold different departments into to <br />address the problems, you’re going to have to look globally. You’re going to have to go to Europe. They’re the ones that’s <br />doing it right, right now, and because of the way of life that we’re so accustomed to, we don’t want to hear it, and we’ve <br />blocked it out, and will continue to block it out. But, if you want a true answer to how to run these departments, per se, a new <br />department and/or a combination of existing departments, and guidance for them to do something, that’s where you’re going <br />to have to look. <br />HIGASHI: George, you’re correct. I just got back from Japan and environmental recycling is a major, major thing there. <br />They make you very conscious of what they’re doing. As an outsider, if you feel like you want to throw a piece of paper on <br />the ground, you feel really guilty. <br />IRVINE: Good. <br />HIGASHI: Cans go where cans are supposed to go, and bottles go where bottles are supposed to go. <br />IRVINE: Roland, maybe you should be on our committee, as well. <br />HIGASHI: I’ve committed my time. Inform me of your meetings. If I can - <br />IRVINE: We will. <br />KUROZAWA: Just a quick comment. If we are thinking of U.S., for example, Oregon and Washington are probably the <br />highest recycling states in the country, so we can get information from - <br />MARTIN: I agree with you. <br />KUROZAWA: I lived in Portland for six years. I felt guilty when I came home, throwing cans into the trash. <br />IRVINE: I have two daughters in Portland, and yes, they have about fifteen bins in their kitchen. <br />RAY: So to wrap this up for now, I think we’re through Wastewater, Water Department, Sewer. We’ll have this <br />subcommittee exploring some possibilities there. <br />MARTIN: No, the Water Department, keep out of it. Clean water’s okay. <br />HIGASHI: It’s all encompassing. <br />MARTIN: It is. <br />RAY: Under Public Safety, we’ve discussed the idea of an umbrella Public Safety Commission which could possibly include, <br />or would include, Police, and then Fire, if we wanted to go in that direction with Fire. Possibly Civil Defense. I don’t <br />understand the logistics of Civil Defense exactly, but also we have gotten testimony in the past, and more recently from the <br />file://\\coh01\cohweb\council\charter_commission\minutes\minutes 12-04-99.html7/1/2011 <br /> <br />