2000-04-12 Charter Commission Minutes

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minutes 04-12-00Page 8 of 26 JIM: It’s all in one. KAHAWAIOLA’A: Yes, I understand what you’re saying. And maybe you can correct me. Are you saying if a Hawaiian owns something in Kaumana, that this language was impact on that up in Kaumana. I don’t think so. I think it’s clear in the geographical locations. My point being, the geographical locations as described in here, says ‘limits the Island of Hawaii and all the lands within the’. Well unfortunately, the map should say, and I think somebody gave me a graphic illustration once, that the map of the Island of Hawaii should be there with a lot of holes. The holes are those pockets that were identified as Hawaiian home lands, and that jurisdiction, I think, still is not questionable, but it is unquestionable that this county does not have the - And that’s, please, not Kahawaiola’a who said that. It’s the Corporation Counsel of your - JIM: Matsukawa made clear findings on it. Very, very clear, your County Council, under Lorraine, and Mr. Wurdeman made it very clear on his Opinion. He used - HIGASHI: For us, it’s got to be Mr. Yuen, has got to make it very clear to us. JIM: Okay, yes. KAHAWAIOLA’A: And, obviously, he knows those individuals. HIGASHI: Somebody needs to do the research. Well anyway, I was just concerned, Patrick, that if somebody outside owns and, and he says I’m Native Hawaiian, so you cannot - KAHAWAIOLA’A: Yes, I understand. That’s why I said I needed to make it clear what you meant. No, because I think this language only talks about except on the lands of Hawaiian homes. JIM: Article 1-2 is - KAHAWAIOLA’A: Only the lands. RAY: Marni, you had a question? HERKES: I suppose I would ask Mr. Yuen to ask Mr. Soon of Hawaiian Homes Commission, Department of DHHL, if this is something they want. They control that land. That is under their jurisdiction. I’m not sure that I feel comfortable with exempting parts of land from the County Charter, parts of the island. But if we had a political body that would take responsibility for it, that’s probably a different story. So that’s just what I have to say. RAY: That’s one possible tact. So, any other questions for these gentlemen? You’ve given us a lot to think about. JIM: Thank you. KAHAWAIOLA’A: Thank you very much. RAY: And I appreciate you coming up with these concrete - KAHAWAIOLA’A: Mahalo. RAY: Okay, that concludes our public testimony, so moving along the agenda, we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 sets of minutes to approve. We’ve got to do these separately so, Minutes of March 8th, 2000. Do I have a motion to approve? HERKES: So moved. RAY: Second? IRVINE: Second. RAY: Okay, discussion? All in favor? file://\\coh01\cohweb\council\charter_commission\minutes\minutes 04-12-00.htm7/1/2011