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with your conscience. There's no simple answer to that that, you know, public input is -, comes <br />in when they vote on it, yes or no, I mean, that's the final, you know, final say. You can't tell <br />from what comes in public hearings -, really a read of what's, you know, what's out there. You <br />may have ten -, you've been on the Council, ten people scream against it, and you have all kinds <br />of other people that, you know, that don't. <br />SANTANGELO: I think that's why I asked that question, Pete, because on a Council and in <br />politics, you know, the hardest thing for me to learn, that was perception was the reality. But I <br />felt like here on the Commission, we're not elected, and so where's our accountability? And I <br />keep looking at myself being accountable to working with this group to create good government. <br />And this is a Charter that's been around for a while, so I, you know, I don't see how it needs a <br />huge bunch of -. You know, case in point, you got a Fire Commission. I struggle with what is a <br />Fire -? Because this was brought up when John and I were on the Council, and it's like how does <br />that translate or relate to how a Police Commission works, where you're dealing with -. I mean <br />firemen don't arrest people and deal, you know -, so it's just getting that information. But that <br />was my main thing is -. <br />So it sounds like you guys got your information, you held each other accountable to get your <br />background and be informed, and then you had your discussion. When it came to putting <br />something on the ballot, did you go for pretty much a majority vote, I mean a major majority, or <br />was there something that was like -? How often did it come real close? <br />• L'ORANGE: Simple. Single member district was 6-5, I think. <br />YUEN: No, no. no. <br />BETHEA: Seven -four. <br />L'ORANGE: Seven -four? Seven -four, yeah. <br />YUEN: Seven -four, yeah. Well, you have to have, to put something on the ballot, <br />you need a majority of the 11; you need six votes. If six people vote for it, it goes on the ballot. <br />That's -. <br />HERKES: Simple arithmetic. <br />YUEN: Yeah. <br />SANTANGELO: But it wasn't like a jury thing where you tried to get everybody to buy into <br />this thing? <br />YUEN: I think maybe there was some attempt to arrive at consensus. I think <br />whenever you're sitting in a group like this, and where there's a degree -, and I think the people <br />18 <br />