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IRVINE: Yes. TULANG: And that the position would be one that had continuity to it. IRVINE: All right. Your second point that you had given us was concerning minimum requirements for the position of Deputy Director and Directors TULANG: IRVINE: I just toss that out because -. Okay. TULANG: You know, there's all this controversy of the Chief Engineer, you have to have all this license and everything, and then anybody can be Parks and Recreation Director, even a home economist. IRVINE: Okay. The other thing, do you have any thoughts on why you need a Deputy Director at the Department of Parks and Rec? TULANG: Why -? Good question. The Department of Parks and Recreation has, you might say we have two extremes in activity. One is a multitude of maintenance activities, the other is recreational activities. Say we were to slice it down the middle, we do the fun and games programming, and we do the maintenance and upkeep of facilities and buildings. One person to oversee all is very difficult. The other is that we are probably the largest employer, at this time, for County of Hawaii. On a regular -, say from September to May, we have somewhere of 425 employees. For the summer, we go up to about 600 employees. If we add on to that all the contract work that we do that is everyone that does classes and activities that we hire on a contract, we deal with upward of 700 employees. With that, you know, if everything was good, it would be fine, but then we have multitude of complaints and things to follow up on. We want our people out there doing work. We need -, I need to share that good work with someone else to help follow up on, and so I think the Deputy Director can help, and it would be, you know, good if one is strong in personnel or maintenance and the other has the overall planning and vision, and it just forms a team. I hope that answers your question. IRVINE: Yes, thanks. RAY: Okay. Other questions? BESS: Go ahead, Gary. RAY: Gary. 13