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HERKES: A Harry Kim. WURDEMAN: Sort of a gestapo kind -, you know, if somebody gets hurt. HERKES: So I said. A Harry Kim WURDEMAN: Somebody gets hurt, and they run out there and they investigate. HERKES: Okay. WURDEMAN: And they find that there's some kind of negligence or unsafe condition, and they just, you know, dictate, fix it, and the problem goes away. But, in practice, it hasn't worked like that because the Safety Coordinator hasn't had the muscle to take on, you know, the Chief Engineer, and the Parks Director, and whoever else about problems. HERKES: And, you know, actually, the Mayor is the one that takes a lot. The Mayor's the one that's supposed to direct them. The direction comes from the top down, that middle man, or the Managing Director. We could just move this whole section under Managing Director and solve it, or we could just take it out except for the workers' comp. 1 think that part needs to be Civil Service. RAY: this. Okay. Well, I think we'll be having, certainly be having more discussion on WURDEMAN: Okay, 7-2.2(d), the Police Commission. Presently, the Police Commission takes complaints from citizens and they have a private investigator who goes out and tries to find out what happened, reports back to the Commission. The Commission votes and either sustains, that's the word they use, or does not sustain the complaint. Then the matter is referred over to the Department, and nothing happens or we don't even find out what happens. Nobody knows what happens. The citizen whose complaint is sustained, I think is given a false expectation that something's being done. And in this era of collective bargaining and union grievances and all that sort of thing, there's no guarantee that anything will be done, and I think it's misleading to the people. So I would -, my recommendation is that that function be removed from the Police Commission. RAY: Okay. WURDEMAN: This Water stuffs all pretty much just semantics again. Articles XI and XII, Initiative, Referendum and Recall. There are some distinctions, as is also pointed out in the item below, 11-2(c), there are some distinctions between the two as to how to qualify. They are not big distinctions, but there are some differences. And as far as getting signatures and getting on the ballot, I would recommend there be one unified procedure for all 13