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now and maybe it needs to be straightened up.
<br />WURDEMAN: Yeah, the whole question when we have one of these drives, and there's
<br />always controversy, and I've seen it here, I've seen it in Honolulu, as to who, you know -. You
<br />got these thousands of signatures, and did they know? Was it explained to them what they were
<br />signing? How can that be assured? I don't know the answer, but it's a continuing problem.
<br />The next one, it seems like a very small thing, but it's something that Mike Matsukawa pounced
<br />on. On Boards and Commissions, 13-4.
<br />HIGASHI: Wait a minute. Before you move on. On the initiative referendum. In
<br />voting, on the last -, on Page 24, designate spaces to mark the ballot for or against. Is that a
<br />problem? I mean, it seems to me it was a problem among the voters last time. I mean, is there
<br />any way of -? You know, when you write the ballot, and you got to vote for or against.
<br />WURDEMAN: People argue that it's a problem because like the last time we had a
<br />negative kind of proposition where they were going to prohibit something -.
<br />HIGASHI: Yeah, yeah. You were for something, you were against.
<br />WURDEMAN: So you're voting for means to prohibit it. I don't know. Arguably, it's a
<br />problem. I don't know how you get around it. I think the way that's worded is the last election,
<br />the irradiation people and the clerk and myself and the agriculture people all pretty much agreed
<br />that it said what it said, and it didn't cause a great controversy.
<br />HIGASHI: It seems like a lot of people who had written letters to the editor claimed it
<br />was a problem. It was a problem in the Hapuna one.
<br />WURDEMAN: Well, maybe not after the election's over it may be a problem, but I
<br />distinctly remember discussing this with Mrs. Cohen at the time, and she agreed it said what it
<br />said and that's how we put it on the ballot.
<br />HIGASHI: Maybe it's something that we need to look at.
<br />SANTANGELO: Yeah, one of the things I just caution about, I don't know if it was in a
<br />discussion with Chris or at one point, but one of the wisdoms of that is making sure that we know
<br />what the ground rules are going in, you know, in every case because if you're not real clear, then
<br />it's always going to be up to an argument. And I think the way it's stated, is it's going to be done
<br />this way, whoever initiates it. And, in a way, if you -, for me, as I got into it a little bit more, it
<br />seemed okay. It seems fair. Because that way you don't have all this argument every damned
<br />time. If you're going to go out and get a petition, if you're going to do an initiative, before you
<br />even start your initiative drive, you've got an idea what you're -, what the ground rules are. And
<br />it needs to be something like that, you know, so it goes the other way or it goes -, you know, it's
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