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• bodies, and possibly some duplication of effort, and I'm interested in cost of government and I see that this Manager form of government may reduce costs and while I have enough general information, theoretical information, as to how this system works, I'd just like to see what the practical implications are. If it were put into effect, could we save money? And I'd like that discussion to occur. HERKES: I think Mr. Bess has touched on what I was going to say but I'd like to expand on it more. We've gotten bogged down in semantics here and the word "Mayor" and lost track of what is the goal. Why would we change the Charter? What do we want to do in order to change it? And I think no matter whether we use the word "Mayor", don't use the word "Mayor" and we get sued, we still have a different direction. We're still going in a different direction. We're going in efficiency, we're going in a better form of government. What we've heard over the last few years, is a lot of dissatisfaction with the way the government's working. People don't feel included and I would hope that this would be a way that they could and I think that we need to set up some goals as to what we want to accomplish. RAY: Is that the Charter? Is that the position or is that the person that's in the seat? I think this is the discussion we ought to be having, but if you look at our current Charter and you look at the Managing Director position and you look at the other Counties' Charters and some have a bit more definitive language in terms of job qualifications and whatever, but under the present Charter there's no reason that the Managing Director couldn't operate in a much more independent, professional type position. Not so much independent maybe, but certainly more professional. HERKES: Never has. RAY: I'm certainly interested in what we can do in regard to moving things in a more professional direction. One thing I've been playing around with is some potential language or some things we might do in the present Charter in regard to the Managing Director position and I don't have anything formally to suggest now but that is another tact we might take is to try to move the Managing Director more, in a business terminology, to the Chief Operating Officer of the County, the Mayor functioning still as the CEO, but the Managing Director as your Chief Operating Officer. Whether we could do that effectively, I don't know but that's something that interests me. Mr. Balog. BALOG: Kind of along your same thoughts, in my mind, I don't agree that the voters are so upset with the way the person running the government. It's how the government is run. It's more with how efficient we are. It's not so much that they don't like a Mayor. There's people who don't like people who sit on a Council that we're discussing that may be the people electing Managing what? 18