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SANTANGELO: Back to this Managing Director and the two year. One of the advantages that appeals to me about a Managing Director is that you're hiring expertise so it's not like an elected official that has to, say, come up to speed, so the theory is you're bringing in a person, he or she, that has expertise in this area and that's where your efficiency's going to come from. I wouldn't want to get involved in the two or four year. That's something that goes later on. It's interesting that we've glossed over the fact that our home rule is like a child asking the parent. It is at the will and whim of the Legislature. We are only allowed this form of government because of the Legislature rather than it's part of our right so in that, I would like, if we choose to go forward with this Managing Director, to do that and to establish the fact that if we're going to have a County government that we have some control over that and let the State grapple with that. I go back to, and it seems from the discussion, and that's the question I need answered because I know a lot of us have read the stuff but do we really have the information to move forward? I think if we have a consensus that we want to move forward on, I'd like to see some of the discussion limited. Then we'd know; focus on this, let's get learned here. Let's get the education that we need so that's kind of where I'm at still. RAY: Who needs what kind of information? There are some websites we haven't fully explored. There's some fees involved. Councilman Tyler and I had a meeting last week and he just got back from a NACO Conference and there was a good • panel dealing with this directly and he put us in touch with one of the key panel members from the Vinson School of Government, University of Georgia, who's in Asia right now. He'll be back in his office next week and sounds like he's a potential wealth of experience. I'm very comfortable as far as my understanding of what this is all about so you need to tell us what information you need or if you do need more, I'm sure there are resources in the State if we want to explore this further. Probably folks that have been involved in County and City governments with this set-up. I'm sure there are people around if we want to search them out. I've been surprised that there hasn't been more public support for this, especially from West Hawaii. This is something I heard about, a lot of people discussing, years in the past but it's certainly not anything people have been breaking down the door to bring up before the Commission right now. Somebody did bring up what's their sense of public interest in this. I think it's certainly a level of interest but I don't have a strong sense that people feel real strongly about it one way or the other. SANTANGELO: I guess the information I need is are we interested in moving forward with this. RAY: are. I know whether I'm interested or not but I don't know whether you SANTANGELO: You asked the question. I just don't know if we got there. 20