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that's why that workload, I think, does mean that people don't volunteer, probably, because they just don't have that much time. But what I really wanted to say was I was looking at all this business about holdover provisions. What if we just said, a member whose term has expired may continue to serve on such Board or Commission until a successor is appointed and confirmed. Then, if you look at what Maui has to say on their page 2 of what the Planning Commission sent us, it says, within 30 days of the occurrence of a vacancy, the Mayor shall submit to the Council, the name of Mayor's nominee to fill the vacancy. Within 60 days thereafter, the Council shall act to approve or disapprove, and then the rest of the paragraph goes on to say if this doesn't happen, then the process continues until they're approved. I mean, 1 don't think it matters whether it's a new Mayor or people die, or whether their term expires. GOLDSTEIN: That's an alternative. Again, getting at striking that balance so that if you just left it so that except that the member shall essentially serve until a successor is appointed or confirmed. Without the other provision for the Mayor having to submit names, then this person could potentially serve forever. But if you wanted to provide that balance, then do the other thing of the Mayor's got to, in so many days, submit names, right? IRVINE: Sounded like it would work to me. RAY: Any more questions to Virginia on that? Okay. Then we had, which we have discussed, the proposal to create separate Planning Commissions. Anybody want to question Virginia on that, as far as her perspective? IRVINE: She already told us, didn't she? That you don't want two Planning Commissions, is that right? GOLDSTEIN: I don't think it makes sense. RAY: But does anybody want to discuss that further? GOLDSTEIN: Let me just say that we have one zoning code. We don't have separate zoning codes for West Hawaii as opposed to East Hawaii. If you want consistency in the decisions, you have one Commission. If you want differences, because the argument that has been also raised is that, well, Kona's not exactly like Hilo. That may be true. Then you create a separate code then. You do special design district or something else, but not create two Commissions. IRVINE: But two Commissions would have their own take on things, a home rule issue and there's no reason why they can't interpret things differently on both sides. 23