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overzealousness, they kind of commit the County's resources without knowing that we <br />have a process, but then it's not fair to the vendors who get stuck, so we generally <br />accept that it's a mistake that was done. Hopefully, it will not be repeated, and we try to <br />cover it but still, this language, just `knowingly', makes some of us very uncomfortable. <br />IRVINE: But what you're telling us is that they do it unknowingly. <br />TAKAHASHI: Yes. Well, they do it unknowingly, but people who have to process <br />the paper, at that point, knowingly have to process the paper, that some process has <br />not been followed. <br />RAY: In other words, they get caught into a situation. <br />TAKAHASHI: We get caught because my staff, or the department staff - <br />IRVINE: Oh, I see, okay. <br />TAKAHASHI: This applies to government employees and it's not fair to them. It <br />can be loosely construed that well, you knew and you still processed it. But there was <br />no willful intention to do that. I'm not familiar with what kind of legalistic language <br />would provide additional protections, but it's really not fair to some of the employees <br />who have to deal with these processes. It's generally the clerks, the lower echelon, <br />they just process paper, that would get caught, and it's not fair for them. It hasn't <br />happened yet but, the way we see some of the challenges occurring, it could well <br />occur. <br />!RV!NF: By the time they're dealing with it, you haven't been able to bring it <br />into compliance with the Charter. Is that what you're saying? <br />TAKAHASHI: The Charter or - yes. The Charter requires that there be a duly <br />made appropriation. <br />iRV1NE: A which? <br />TAKAHASHI: A duly made appropriation. <br />IRVINE: Oh. <br />T AKAHABHI: And there may be occasions where somebody just went out and <br />said, we need the material, just bring it, not checking whether there's ample monies <br />available or appropriations. <br />RAY: I've been involved in a lot of those volunteer projects where we've <br />37 <br />