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to the different agencies and then you've got to go over to Fire and you got to go over to Department of Health, so yes, this would reduce, all of that. That time will become more efficient and perhaps, some of the Members are just not familiar with the process, and have these other concerns that brought it to that point. HERKES: Yes, thank you. RAY: All right, thank you, Mr. Tanaka. TANAKA: Thank you. RAY: That concludes our Statements from the Public. NITSCHE: May I add one thing I forgot to add in mine at this point? Would that be out of line? RAY: come on up. Come on up. This is additional testimony by Mr. Nitsche. Yes, NITSCHE: I think the main thing that I forgot to bring to everybody's attention was the policing of illegal dwellings being built. I know there's a problem with permitting but there's a lot of illegal dwellings being built in Oceanview, and I don't think I brought that up, probably. Nobody seems to be addressing this problem. We have much of this going on in our area, and I think, 1 don't know how it is in the other parts of the island, but in our area, we have a lot of it going on. And the only time anything gets done is when the citizens of the community bring it to the attention, over and over and over, then finally we get some action on it, but it takes a lot to get it done. I think it should be more efficiently handled when it is brought to the attention of the proper authorities that buildings are being built without permits, in a substandard way, with no cesspools, no septic tanks, and nothing of this order. I think it should be taken care of more promptly and then the thing that is always brought to my mind when I bring this up, or other people bring it up, well, we don't have the funds to do this. Well, I think this could be a self funding operation. When the people are caught doing these things wrong, they're fined, and then right away, bang, bang, bang, if they don't comply in a certain length of time, then a lien is put against the property, and some teeth should be put into it. I think we've probably got a lot of laws this way, and I'm not really familiar with it, but they're not being enforced, so the enforcement, I think, is the main concern of most of us citizens in Oceanview, where I'm from. I just wanted to add that to it. It's the enforcement that's the big problem. Thank you. RAY: Thank you. We have representatives here from the Planning Department and hopefully, the Public Works Department, to continue our discussion. This is Item VII. A. Discussion on the Creation of a Division of Permitting. We, as 19