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SUMADA: HERKES: That Administrator for the For the whole branch? SUMADA: I think that possibly there could be, but primarily, the individual would be a manager, and it's more administrative in nature, and that more management skills, or people skills, are used, as opposed to pure engineering. However, the individual would need to have a fairly good knowledge of processes that go on in the different branches, relating to engineering or planning or the building functions. There might be some limitations, I suppose, if any one individual would work their way up through the ranks, say, in the Planning branch, and by he not having the qualifications to fill a Civil Engineer VII, which requires a license in Civil Engineering, that would restrict that individual, or that person working their way up, from fulfilling that role,so maybe that particular aspect we could reconsider, possibly. HERKES: But you feel engineering background is really important in this Administrator? RAY: This is a Division Head, so this is not something that we deal with in the Charter anyway, right? SUMADA: I don't think so. It's a Civil Service position. RAY: Right. GOLDSTEIN: If I may just explain this chart. We had worked on this, maybe about a year ago, and at that time we worked on this chart, it was trying to take a look at existing positions that we would have to work with, and essentially also then go to the Union with, to either do refitting of positions and also, what this chart is is just taking existing positions, and essentially the highest ranking guy of both Planning as well as Public Works, got to be, essentially, that head. That's the EM VII kind of thing, so you've got to take this also with a grain of salt. HERKES: Okay, thank you. RAY: Gary. YOSHIYAMA: Thanks for that explanation, Virginia. So as far as this chart, these branches handle the permitting process? GOLDSTEIN: Yes. YOSHIYAMA: So it's a wholesale move of bodies, right, from Planning into 21