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<br />IRVINE: Yes. You folks were talking about having combined these things in
<br />Kona, and you didn't need a Charter revision, although we do need a Charter revision if
<br />we're really going to do this County wide because our Planning Department Chapter
<br />is so spelled out about what the Planning Department is in charge of. The Public
<br />Works Department has very few things listed that it's in charge of, and I think there's
<br />an inconsistency in our Charter. If we could just simplify, I mean we're going to have to
<br />take a bunch out of Planning anyway, if we do this. Is that correct? Is that your
<br />understanding of it? Section 5-4.2, probably (e), (f), (g), (h) would go.
<br />GOLDSTEIN: There is a reason why the Planning functions are clearly listed,
<br />and I think, that also goes for Finance and Corporation Counsel. These are your
<br />agencies that are your line agencies, whereas things like Public Works and Parks and
<br />Recreation are really your staff. They don't come under the purview of, or the direct
<br />supervision of the Mayor, and essentially, also serve County Council. They are staff
<br />and they are managed by the Managing Director. There is a difference in the overall
<br />function for these three, and that's why, I think, there is a difference in the description
<br />of the functions of the agencies. So, I'd be real careful about what all we make
<br />changes.
<br />IRVINE: I have here the Model County Charter, Revised Edition, from the
<br />• National Civic League, which does talk - I mean there is a difference between those two
<br />kinds of departments, but it says the staff departments, Finance, Personnel, Planning
<br />and Law, likewise, should be covered by administrative code, generally. As a general
<br />statement, I think we have a lot of stuff in here you folks probably should have been
<br />able to do something like this without us having to redo the County Charter.
<br />RAY: Gary.
<br />YOSHIYAMA: Following up on what Sue is saying, and I guess, the more I hear,
<br />the more I'm leaning towards, and I'm going to ask you to comment on this, something
<br />like what the City and County of Honolulu has, Virginia, that you brought up the last
<br />time, was having the Charter enable the Mayor to reorganize, or organize. However,
<br />even under the City and County of Honolulu, the Mayor could not do that with the
<br />Planning Department. It wasn't called the Planning Department, but they needed a
<br />Charter Amendment to do that, so I guess what I'm asking for comment on is a Charter
<br />Amendment which would allow even the Mayor to make changes within the Planning
<br />Department. Something broad rather than the creation of a division through a Charter
<br />Amendment.
<br />GOLDSTEIN: You want me to comment on that? I think that might be possible
<br />but because, essentially, your Corporation Counsel, your Finance Director and the
<br />Planning Director serve not just the Mayor, but also County Council, if you did
<br />something like that, I would have to say that I think that it might be good to have
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