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• and they were sent back, straight to the Hilo Post Office, and so they were counted at meetings. We never even looked at them until that point, so it wasn't one person doing this. It wasn't just me. It was the League of Women Voters, and we have several in Waimea and Waikaloa, by the way. And we don't know who responded because we just get them in an envelope and they don't have names. We didn't ask them to sign them, so I have no idea of knowing, except that we received a lot of them. And if you want us to have a public forum, I'd like that in writing, if you would, please, and how you would support that for us because having a public forum, and taking on the role of what some of this stuff you're doing, we might be able to attract a different set of audience too, little less informal, perhaps, but we'd be happy to help you in any way like that. RAY: Well, we would very much welcome your help and participation in discussing any of these issues. And like you mentioned, the overall advocacy and presentation of the public is going to be what's going to carry the day, so I think we're all going to have to work together to make any changes. One thing, and I'm going to give you the information on this. We have had a pretty interesting model from Lexington, Kentucky. It's a city and county. ISBELL: On Council Manager? RAY: Yes. And they have a hybrid situation. They have, what they call, a Chief Administrative Officer, which the comparison to the private sector is the Mayor is still the CEO, the Chief Executive Officer, but the Chief Operating Officer is more a City Manager type. Now, that person still is part of the Administration. He still is hired by the Mayor, but the criteria and the approval by the Council. It's much more tied clearly to a professional City Manager type. And I'm going to give you this information, but the other one, since we were talking about neighborhood boards, another thing that they utilize is that they have an Office of the Citizens Advocate, and the Council members individually appoint someone to be on the Citizens Advocate Board. And it's a formal Board that meets as an island -wide Citizens Advocate Board, as part of the process. ISBELL: Is that like a complaint department? It sounds like it's a place that you come to complain, but do you get anything done? RAY: I don't know. ISBELL: What can they do? RAY: It does deal primarily, the description, with complaints, abuses, irregularities, but also recommends substantive or procedural policies. But anyway, we're just looking into that, so I wanted to mention it. I'm going to get you a copy of this. We're having these made up. 22