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now, with the Department of Permitting, and maybe, we need to spin all three of these <br />off into some wonderful semi -autonomous agency that you can oversee, and clean up <br />all our recycling problems. <br />SANTANGELO: Jiro's the guy. <br />HERKES: No, we're going to give it to Milton. <br />IRVINE: Is there any comment? Anybody can comment on that one. <br />RAY: Mr. Pavao, you in shock? <br />PAVAO: I'm in shock. I guess the only thing I want to say is I have no <br />interest in getting bigger. I just want to stay efficient. <br />IRVINE: Yes, but you want to stay clean too, and the business of providing <br />these other services aren't clean. Can you imagine somebody volunteering to be on the <br />Sewer Commission? <br />RAY: Ms. Herkes, did you have another comment? <br />HERKES: Yes, I did. If we bundle these together - If we bundled <br />wastewater, drinking water, and well, several things; we could do solid waste, a <br />whole bunch of stuff together, I would be in favor of taking that five million out of the <br />pot, and putting it over here, and not taking it in with all of these things, and we could <br />do that. We can put the five million that Sewers is in the hole over here, and not bring <br />it into your department. They can collect one and a half million, so - how much is it? <br />?: More than five million. <br />HERKES: Okay, well, however much it is, we can take it out of the picture. <br />That doesn't have to go with the transfer. I think there are other things we can do with <br />it, so I'd like you to look at that, and the fact that Sewers has a million and a half that <br />they haven't collected, that is a possibility. But, I think, also, when you look at <br />Honolulu's management of their water system, they're running out of drinking water, <br />and they will tell you that, so I would not look at them as a very exemplary management <br />system in any way, so I. just wanted to put that in the pipeline, that that's not a <br />management system that I'd look at. But I really like the global perspective of looking at <br />it all at once. <br />PAVAO: Just a comment. In all fairness to the Honolulu Board of Water <br />Supply, they try to operate a very efficient system. The fact that they're running out of <br />water is not their fault. It's population and the capacity of the aquifer. I know the <br />23 <br />