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way, nationally. SANTANGELO: So, I'm confused. We're such a unique environment, why do we always follow mainland ways here because we're to da, and then when we want something different - IRVINE: I didn't say we had to follow them. SANTANGELO: Anyway, if it works well, and you can't always be a Marni Herkes and go to anybody. HERKES: Oh yes you can. SANTANGELO: In Marni's world you can, but many people that aren't familiar with government can't, necessarily, and if we maintain a strong Mayor position, are we not, in some way, building towards, at least, people that have to address island -wide issues and work that way. I'd just like to see this debated on the merit of it. Is it good government or not, and, then what I brought up before is, are we going to be perceived by the public as moving an agenda forward that is good to the public, and that's where I struggle with that. RAY: Other comments? George. • MARTIN: John, what you just said about being a role model, per se, if it works someplace else. It's good to look into it and get information from wherever we can to address the situation, but this is Hawaii, and it's the County of Hawaii, not the State of Hawaii. Let's get our minds down to this position, and say what's the best for the County. Will it work, and if it does, fine. If it doesn't, then so be it, but at least we're trying, and that's what we're supposed to be doing right here, is making adjustments that would better our government, and I think it's a great idea. RAY: Roland. HIGASHI: Before I call for the vote. I think that we've - RAY: I want to make a comment before you call for the vote yet. HIGASHI: We had two extremes. We had a six -three that ran all at -large. Now we have a system that's single member districts, and I don't think we're going to find this electorate satisfied 100% with what we've got now. May be the personality, may be not the system, but I sure think that sort of a compromise of what we had before and what we have now, would probably be something worthwhile for us to pursue. RAY: Okay. Somebody that hadn't spoken. I'd like everybody that would like to speak that hasn't spoken to go ahead. Steve. 13