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SANTANGELO: That's right. Sue, we have this solid waste management plan and there's nobody that's held accountable or holds anybody accountable with that, or to implement, or to update it, or any of that things and this Commission could do that, and we already have fees. The pay -as -you -throw thing is something that's out there that has to go through the political process, and that's a whole other matter. I wouldn't hold this one hostage to that, but in terms of sewer fees, we already have that. The only thing with the fee structure was with John and I both seeing problems in that politically, and where do we start focusing public attention on the environmental issues, and as long as Public Works deals with this, then if they have, at least, that responsibility, and it's my political opinion that they do a better job, this Commission, than what the process is now, and then it would also focus the attention on accountability with Public Works, and have a liaison between the public and Public Works. But, keep that aside from pay -as -you -throw because that shouldn't be the issue here. That's going to be way down the line. RAY: Marni. HERKES: I attended three of those sessions in three different neighborhoods and I found that they were way off base from where I thought we should go. They were into garbage pick up, which, in Kona, is ridiculous. They were into charging fees, which is, to me, not the way to go. The fact is, we pay for waste disposal. We pay with our taxes. I would love to have a line on your property tax bill that says this part of your property tax goes for waste disposal. I think that everybody would know that they are paying a big chunk of money for waste disposal, and also the County would know how much they're paying for waste disposal, because they are paying for it now, and there's no reason to charge a fee. There's no reason to charge a commercial hauler. They are picking up our garbage and disposing of it. We pay for our taxes in order to have that done. Now, I like your Environmental Department because I think that does the same thing that Public Safety Department, and the Department of Permitting, is that it's a management tool. We're managing our waste through environment safety. We're managing our wastewater. We can manage our garbage. We can recycle. We can look at alternatives. You might even want to put the electric company under there. That's an environmental. MARTIN: Private entity? HERKES: Yes. I'm on their integrated resource planning. That's different. We use less fossil fuel. There's a bunch of stuff that could be managed in that, and I like the Commission idea because the Commission brings the private sector into management. If you put the right people on the Commission, they are people that are in business to do this kind of waste disposal. So, I like some of the things. I don't like your reasons for doing it. SANTANGELO: Which are? • 31