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Hawaii, and I did work with that myself. If it comes, you'd want a Commission, I think,
<br />• to deal with it, but the Commission wouldn't have anything to do with bringing that
<br />forward. That has to be a Legislative -
<br />HERKES: I'm sorry that's being brought up because it's going into the
<br />minutes and it will confuse the discussion.
<br />SANTANGELO: Then, in regard to that, I'd like to say one thing then. It's an error, I
<br />feel, Marni, when it comes to pay -as -you -throw. No renter, and that's a generalization,
<br />sees themselves as paying for solid waste, and there's no incentive whatsoever, built
<br />into any of this, and this is where a Commission could, at least, bring
<br />recommendations that create environmental stewardship in terms of our solid waste
<br />stream. And so, there are people out there, clumsy as they are, they're trying to
<br />address that part of it, but if you're not a property owner, and you may pay for it in your
<br />rent -
<br />HERKES: That's right. I'm glad you recognize that.
<br />SANTANGELO: But you don't see it that way, and the intelligence of a lot of people
<br />out there, and their awareness of the solid waste stream, aren't near what you are, as
<br />an individual. And matter of fact, you are unique. And even here with us, dealing with
<br />this, we're unique in the knowledge that we deal with here, and a lot of people, with this
<br />• single member change. I mean, we see the wisdom in it, but the perception in the public
<br />- Anyway, so this was brought forward as what I thought was a pretty good idea and I
<br />felt this Commission could deal with it well.
<br />RAY: Roland.
<br />HIGASHI: Let me just follow up with some of the questions that I have. Is this
<br />Commission envisioned to be like a Liquor Commission? Does it have staff? Does it
<br />have an Executive Director? How big is it? Is it strictly voluntary? How do you
<br />envision this thing to be operational?
<br />SANTANGELO: And that's why I was a little reluctant to bring it up at this point
<br />because that's what needs to be answered. The models that I would look at, real quick,
<br />and I have that in process right now, would be the Planning Commission, the Water
<br />Commission and the Liquor Commission, and see what they are, and try to focus
<br />more on what this body thought would be the focus of this Commission, and see what
<br />parts it would bring in.
<br />RAY:
<br />Commission.
<br />So, I think the answer to that is yes, it would be a fully staffed
<br />HIGASHI: So, maybe we're talking about an Office of Environment, or
<br />maybe we can expand it, rather than narrowing the scope such as that, and I think
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