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• VICENTE: Does that mean you're going to usurp power over me? HERKES: That means I'm going to do what the County government has asked me to do. I don't feel it's usurping power over you, but I certainly know that there are a lot of avenues for you to take if you feel it is. VICENTE: Another thing I wanted to point out is that a lot of the case law dealing with so-called territories, are all based on what the Kings can do. The U.S. is arguing in the U.S. Supreme Court that the Kings of Europe is doing these things, and as a sovereign, they want to be able to do the same thing, but they don't mention in the argument that they have constitutional authority, so you can see, they're going beyond the constitutional authority by claiming they got a king now. Or they can amend Article 2, and replace the president with a king. He's already acting like a king so put the crown on his head while they're at it. Once he leaves Washington D.C., he's no longer the President. What he's done is vacated his office so he's in a stationary power position, not a gallivanting king. So, I think when you look into the State Constitution, it says, I think it's Section 3, that the State Constitution shall not be repugnant of the United States Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Everything coming from there, that direction, and I see all the conflict coming in. That's why Rice won. There's conflict in law right now. The State is doing one thing and the U.S. Constitution is saying opposite. So I think that needs to be dealt with first. It's putting the cart in front of horse. I don't ride horse that way, or a wagon. I think that's it. RAY: Okay, thanks Dwight. VICENTE: Thank you. RAY: Okay. Patrick Kahawaiola'a, representing self. KAHAWAIOLA'A: Myself and Aupuni O'Hawai'i. I have testimony that I'd like to pass out to all of you. I think this was addressed to Mr. Yuen back in December and we received no response from that. From your letter, Mr. Yuen wrote and told us that you had asked him to respond. He responded. We responded to that letter, and in December, the 28th, came to a meeting that was cancelled without us knowing about it. 5 o'clock the lady out front told us it was cancelled. You guys had one, I guess, some time in December that was cancelled. After notice was put out that they were going to have it, it was cancelled, but we were never informed of the cancellation, but that's not my issue. My issue is, based on this response from your counsel, we responded to again address our issue of coming before you to say that we believe that the Charter provision, your Article I, Section 1-1, which encompasses the whole Island of Hawaii as it's geographical limitations, or definition that what the County owns, and this Charter has all the rights on those lands. We spoke about it and Mr. Yuen addressed it, gave his perspective of what he believed based on, and he went back as far as somewhere in the Organic Act giving the counties the rights to do something in 1905,