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BOYD: It's over my head. HERKES: Okay. RAY: George. Mr. Martin. BOYD: Sorry but I don't know what you mean exactly by that. In other words, I just feel that I've been at Planning - I'm sorry, George. I'II be with you in one second. I do want to try to comment on that. It's just that the commissions, the Planning Commission I was thinking of specifically. My suit with the Department of Water Supply has nothing to do with the decision that the Water Commission made. HERKES: Oh, I understand. BOYD: It's strictly an administrative thing. The Planning Commission though which I have never had a lawsuit with or anything like that, but the Planning Commission - I believe if they had different people that had those different perspectives, they might have come to different decisions that would have prevented that from being brought into the courtroom because that was the court of last resort, so to speak. The decision was made, was set in stone and the only way that people could try to reverse it would be to go to court. Is that what you meant or is that? • HERKES: That's part of it. That's really not what I meant because I think there is a diversity but I agree with you, it could be better expressed. There could be a better diversity in the Water Commission and in the Planning Commission. I think that that's something that you try to reach for is a lot of different viewpoints, being able to get all those inside in the beginning but I think also that it's very dangerous if we talk about suing somebody because of their perspective. I think that really we ought to talk about suing somebody because they do something illegal. That we go to court for people because they don't follow the process and I think that's where the Planning Commission is in court for, is that they didn't follow the process. • BOYD: Well, I think you're referring to the Kona - HERKES: I'm referring to all of them. BOYD: All of them, okay. Well, you could be right. I really don't know on that, I'm sorry. RAY: Mr. Martin. MARTIN: I consider myself to be the layman on this Commission. I work in Hilo for a construction company as a mechanic. There is another mechanic that is also on the 13