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0 <br />or maybe they should be combined? If you have any thoughts. <br />HOLSCHUH: Well, perhaps. I don't want to belabor this now, but perhaps. The <br />only thing is the EMS Commission, although I'm frustrated by its relative impotence, <br />sorry for the word, but the ability to really pound the table and get something done - <br />That has been frustrating to me and this sounds like this has a lot more teeth in it, this <br />particular Fire Commission. The problem is this is a five member Commission. The <br />EMS Commission, 1 don't know how many members, but we had a meeting last week <br />and there were probably close to 25 people there, about 15 of them, I think, are <br />Commission members, and there's tremendous participation in that from all aspects, all <br />parts of the island, all walks of life of people, and so on. It's a good question. I don't <br />honestly know the answer to that. <br />MARTIN: How do we have this one set up? As far as what, though? No <br />geographic. How's about one of the Commissioners come from their department? <br />RAY: Well,, we can look at that, yes. Okay, thanks. <br />HOLSCHUH: Thank you. <br />RAY: Steve Bowles. <br />IRVINE: John, could I just ask, were we going to have copies of the Charter <br />here? I mean, the County probably has an extra 20,000 copies of this thing lying <br />around in the basement, and we should get them out to the public at this time, because <br />we will be re -doing it. <br />HENRY: I can ask but they usually charge. <br />HERKES: Tell them we're not going to buy them. <br />IRVINE: Well, it's time to give them away because it's not going to be valid <br />for that much longer, if we have a bunch of them. <br />RAY: We'll follow up on that. Steve. Can you use the mike? <br />BOWLES: Yes, I guess I can. I just want to make some quick comments. <br />First, I wanted to thank you because 1 happen to agree that the Council, as it stands <br />right now, is broken, and 1 think it needs repairing, and I would be supportive of the <br />approach you're taking. I'm not sure that we want to have a Council, though, that's the <br />size of Oahu's to represent that group of people. I totally sympathize with John's <br />problem of geography since I work all around this island, as well as around the State, <br />and I know how difficult it is to go from point to point. I can imagine what they have to <br />deal with when they have to deal with people to people. <br />HERKES: Well, I used to work with a State Representative that had a bigger <br />22 <br />