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recently would strongly lead one of the average citizens to endorse clarifying some of those issues. I think it's a little bit ridiculous what's been happening lately, so I support that. SANTANGELO: And Peter, with that, we went far and wide, across the country, how was that handled, and it is a way of empowering the people to hold their public accountable but to try to also address harassment. So, you're right. BOUCHER: Right, and I think it's very appropriate. Number 13, I think, is just a housecleaning amendment for you, and I support that. Likewise, number 16, the Police Commission. In light of events, I think it's appropriate. Number 18, also in light of events, although I may have a conflict - I don't have a conflict of interest. I think it's appropriate. It's sad that our Civil Service employees often times make more than their supervisors, and I don't think that's correct. But yet, the Council is under pressure from the public not to - You have to put your vote out in the public on whether you should raise their salary, and that's a difficult position to be in. I can appreciate that, so I think it's good to put it in an impartial Commission. RAY: By the way, this is something else, not that we want to be total copy cats of Maui County, but I think they implemented this in Maui in 1994, and 1 talked to ex -Mayor Lingle about it, and it seems to work very well there. It hasn't caused any huge salary raises, and it's been very well excepted, and it's been just a lot more professional - pay raises to reflect the competitive nature in the private and the public sector. So, I think it's worked well there. I think this one will be a tough one for the public to embrace, but we'll see. BOUCHER: I think it's completely appropriate. For what it's worth, I'm glad to hear you're trying to model on Maui because in my division, personally, I use Maui often as my model. I think they've done a lot. They're very progressive. RAY: We took some stuff from City and County as well, and also from other Charters we've looked at in other jurisdictions. BOUCHER: But Maui, I think they've done a very good job. RAY: Yes, we liked a lot of the stuff. SANTANGELO: I think the Salary Commission, as you said, the way it's got to be sold, and it's up to people like yourself, so it's really good to hear this, Peter. This empowers a Commission of the public to come in and take a look at things. And really 23