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about, that Mayor Kenoi said, was that thing about four -year Council terms, you know guys, I
<br />really think that's something that we really need to look at first." That's a violation of the
<br />Sunshine Law. It's a violation of the Sunshine Law because more than two members are talking
<br />about board business, or the kuleana of the Commission, outside of the noticed meeting. All of
<br />that type of discussion needs to occur in here, or wherever it is that you're meeting.
<br />So, like I said, our class goes on for two hours talking about the Sunshine Law, but the main
<br />thing I wanted you all to take away from -- -when you walk out of here today, is recognize that
<br />from this moment forward the Sunshine Law covers you. Jamae goes home, emails Paki and
<br />Todd and says, "Hey nice seeing you guys." No problem. Or, "See you at the soccer field on
<br />Saturday." No problem. But when you start talking or conversing about board business, board
<br />business meaning business of the Commission, don't do it. Do it only at a noticed meeting. A
<br />lot of times you folks are going to feel a little compromised by that because, you all have busy
<br />schedules, you all have other commitments, you have real jobs, your lives out there. You are
<br />going to find there are times you want to pick up the phone and talk to Ed or talk to Casey,
<br />because of her experience, and ask questions. That's difficult, because that's a normal human
<br />tendency to want to do that, but you can't do that. All the discussion has to occur whenever you
<br />meet. Anybody have any comments or questions on that?
<br />CHR. HAITSUKA: Mr. Unger
<br />MR. ASHIDA: Dude, we always recognize members of the Hilo High class of `80, baby.
<br />MR. UNGER: What about personal friends, and what about discussing things that were
<br />discussed in public, in this meeting, and then we go home and discuss it again.
<br />MR. ASHIDA: No problem, Scott. No problem. The restriction in the Sunshine Law is when
<br />you eleven discuss among each other. That's a great question, thank you. Sunshine Law only
<br />applies to board members. So, something that you discuss at a meeting, you can discuss with
<br />Levi without limitations. Why? Because he's not a board member. You can discuss it with
<br />Char. She's not a board member. It only applies to you, eleven, interacting with each other, one
<br />on one, two on one, two on two, what have you. Now, there is an exception, a narrow exception
<br />in the Sunshine Law that says, up to two of you can discuss board business without limitations so
<br />long as no commitment to vote is sought. So what that means is, say after a meeting - -let's stick
<br />with this four -year Council term thing, alright - -after the meeting, Joe emails you, Scott, and says
<br />"Hey Scott that was a wicked meeting today, I heard a lot, I'm thinking about this four -year term
<br />thing, I really think that it's a good idea, maybe we should go that route." You can say back
<br />"Yeah, you know, I had that same impression too."
<br />You guys can talk about it, no problem, because the exception to the Sunshine Law is that up to
<br />two can talk about board business or the kuleana of the Commission. But where you cross the
<br />line is when the two of you are talking and then Joe says, "Hey, you know what brother; I'm
<br />going to vote for that. How about you, are you with me ?" That's when you cross the line,
<br />because now you are indicating how you're voting, and you're seeking a commitment to vote
<br />from the other person. But if you're just talking about it generally, it's OK. But Scott, the
<br />problem with that is once; say you and Joe talk about it, Joe cannot now go talk to Casey. Now
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