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second time it has been attempted to change the HRS - -or, the County of Hawaii has to conform with the intent and purpose of Ordinance 08 -57 and create an appeals agency. One last thing, and this is not on your agenda, but we have noticed that the Rules of Procedure for the County Council have no penalties. Somehow, consulting with your legal people, we request that there are penalties somehow written into the Rules of Procedure of the County of Hawaii. What's the use of having the rules, if part of the time they are not adhered to, and when someone is caught up in it, okay well alright, we won't do in any more. That's not good enough for the public. We want penalties attached to infractions, breaking the Rules of Procedure of the County Council of the County of Hawaii. Thank you. CHR. HAITSUKA: Are there any questions for Ms. Folena? Mr. Fuertes has a question. MR. FUERTES: First of all, I thank you for coming in and testifying. When you spoke about the CDP, in your opinion, how do you validate that the CDP actions represent the community as a whole? I notice that there are many CDP's that are working hard in our communities, but how do we validate that it really represents that particular community? MS. FOLENA: How do you validate it? If you research it sir, and you understand it, there have been, my god, I don't know how many public meetings and avenues for the public to interact within the Puna CDP. That would answer your question, sir. You would have to research that. In fact, if you really want to know, you should talk to Barbara Lively. Barbara Lively has been intimately associated with the workings of the Puna CDP for ages. I am a small peon in it; I never held any position in it. I went to meetings in people's homes, I talked to the public, people were interested in it; I went to formal meetings, informal meetings etcetera. So, I think it's the responsibility of the public themselves when public notice is given that a Community Development Plan meeting is being held. It's the responsibility of the public to come up and attend it. I'm sorry, could I go on about a couple of other things here quickly. They are different agendized items. CHR. HAITSUKA: Alright, go ahead. MS. FOLENA: Thank you, sir. May I address Mr. Fuertes, Mr. Chair? CHR. HAITSUKA: Yes. MS. FOLENA: Was that okay with you? I know you still have a question on it. I think what you were getting at sir was that not enough people knew about it. I'm sorry, go ahead. MR. FUERTES: As much as we want to have public input, some of our people don't like to be in those kinds of meetings, and don't come to meetings. So, I just want to think about different communities and how they do things. I just question if it is really representing what the community is saying. Some people just don't want to come to meetings and I'm hoping that the CDP has outreach in which people who don't want to be at those kind of formal meetings will have their - -- 10