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meeting, wording what they wanted to and saying okay this is • what we're gonna to do and we're gonna vote on this without letting either the public or the rest of the commission know about it, that's what these things are intended to prevent. They want to make sure that an important part of deliberation for any board, legislative or a commission such as this, is the information you take--the testimony you take upon which you base your decision. So they want all of this; all of the testimony should be taken in public in the open and the deliberation and the discussion done also in public. There are, now, there is a section which you will note in here under the Sunshine Law which lists exceptions, 92-5; now these are exceptions under the state Sunshine Law but you must be careful about this because as I've explained that, later on in part two of this, the County Charter's open meeting section. There are exceptions listed here for when the board may hold a meeting closed to the public for following purposes and it lists about six of these. Now, this is further restricted by the County Charter; there is a further provision here which I cite in the state Sunshine Law which states that under Section 92-71 the state Sunshine Law provides standards for open meetings but the County Charter(s) may restrict those even more and require even more openness than the minimum standards set by the state Sunshine Law and the Hawaii County Charter in fact does this. As I've reproduced Section 13-20, this states subsection (b) : All • meetings of the council, boards and commissions shall be held in the council meeting room or other public places and no such bodies shall take any official action except at a meeting open to the public. Now it says where personal matters affecting the privacy of an individual are to be considered, the council, board or commission may, at the request of the individual involved, consider such matters in closed session; however, any official action resulting therefrom shall be acted upon in a open meeting. Boards and commissions that are empowered to give examinations to determine the capabilities of individuals shall be excepted from the provisions of this section when technical examinations and questionnaires are being drafted by such bodies. The term "official action" as used in this section means a collective decision made by a majority of the members of the council, board or commission, or an actual vote by a majority of the members of the council, board or commission, when sitting as a body or an entity, upon any matter before the council, board or commission. ROBERT BETHEA: Fred, let me interrupt you with another question. I assumed or let me ask you, do you have any objections if the commission members interrupt and ask any particular questions? • 4 1