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JUVIK : Why don' t they just do it on their own? IBARRA : Okay. One of the. . .the County gets its authority in establishing a structure of government , as under the state constitution, Section. . .Article 7, which states that the. . .I just mentioned previously , that the County as far as the mayor. . .establish. . .the Charter form of government and, in the area of structure , administration and organization. The County Charter can establish whatever form of government in which the County (inaudible) . So what I'm saying is , if you feel you want to revamp your Planning Department by following Honolulu ' s, amend the Charter. JUVIK : The state does not preclude us from doing that? IBARRA: No. JUVIK : But if we want to create a sanitation department, and separate that from Public Works , we could do that? IBARRA : Yes. BETHEA : Yep. IBARRA : Yes. But it has to be by Charter. You cannot do it by ordinance unless the Charter says , by . . . sometimes you don' t want the Charter to be so exact, because the Charter Review comes up every ten years , and sometimes , deliberately , you want to make it ambiguous and. . . so that you can fit in situations that you haven 't foreseen. And certainly , well , you can leave it open by saying that the structure shall be pursuant to ordinance. And the ordinance then, the County Council would establish the form. And that is easily amended. But there are certain providions , and I ' d really like to touch on real quick, that I ' ve seen as managing director, when we talk about the, I don ' t say fight , but I say maybe the debates between Council and the administration. . And I' d like to point it out real quick where you folks may want to look at in the review, is the section pertaining to appropriation and transfer within an agency. Okay. The basic financial procedure is the mayor would. . . BETHEA: What ' s that section? IBARRA : Okay. 10-8. 10-8, right there. It says to the extend that there are no available. . . Wait a minute. Let ' s see. 10-9, right here. The mayor excuse me, 10-9. Second paragraph, Bob. The mayor may at any time during the fiscal year transfer part or all of any unincumbered appropriation balance between classification or expenditure. Okay. Now the procedure, of course, is, and the argument on both sides is, that the administration would come before the Council and represent to the Council that these are the monies that we need. And these are the purposes for which we' ll use the 76