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• <br /> pendulum swings the other way, all the way to where it ' s <br /> getting to in the workplace, where all we would look at in <br /> boards and commissions is to get the precise number of <br /> percentages of women, men, and all racial extractions and <br /> qualifications of being on the board would get thrown out the <br /> window completely, would be my other concern, that . . . <br /> VAN DYKE: Yes . <br /> POPPE: . . .we could overdue the whole issue . <br /> VAN DYKE : That ' s right . That ' s the kind of analysis <br /> that this opinion offers , and says that ultimately we want . . . <br /> our goal is to have a situation where we ' re not conscious of <br /> (inaudible) race . . . <br /> POPPE: That ' s right . <br /> VAN DYKE: . . .and therefore we can' t get there by having <br /> all this race. . . <br /> POPPE: By calling attention to it . <br /> VAN DYKE: That ' s right . <br /> BETHEA: Or a situation where gender is really not that <br /> critical, is it? Maybe we could use the word she throughout <br /> this thing and then we ' ll have it understood that it includes <br /> he . <br /> COMMISSION: (Inaudible . ) <br /> VAN DUKE: I mean, that is what some authors were doing <br /> and if you' re writing a description about the care of babies , <br /> you know, you might well want to shift from hes to shes and so <br /> on to be neutral . But I think in this kind of document , you <br /> probably want to . . .actually, there isn' t . . .aren' t that many <br /> hes a lot of times . It just says , you know, repeats the noun, <br /> the mayor, just the mayor that, which is a good way to avoid <br /> it . <br /> But probably in those instances where you feel it <br /> necessary to use the pronoun, probably he or she would be <br /> proper usage . <br /> JUVIK: One last question. All of our good works <br /> obviously come to naught if the voters either don' t understand <br /> what we ' re proposing to them or well, being rejected for very <br /> good reasons , but , given that , we have to put this in certain <br /> of legalese for the purposes of the Charter, is you. . .you <br /> mentioned the rejection of the Charter Commission in Honolulu. . . <br /> can you give us any quick suggestions on how we can write <br /> Charter provisions , or how we can structure them in such a way <br /> that the voter will know what the hell we ' re dealing with? <br /> 118 <br />