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LUKE: In these specific instances , the state law says that yes, all secretaries , all deputies and all directors can be exempt from civil service. It also says that directors and deputies don' t have to be classified by civil service. But secretaries do. This says that secretaries don' t have to be classified by civil service. And it ' s in conflict; and the state law prevails. So I 'm saying. . . L'ORANGE: So you' re asksng us to make it comply with state law? LUKE: Yes. L'ORANGE: Okay, that should. . . I don' t like your language. I mean, it ' s just the personal . . . LUKE: I . . . L'ORANGE: . . . semantics (inaudible) . LUKE: I 'm not the (inaudible) . BETHEA: One other quick question, if I may, because we 've gone on longer than we thought. As I recall , in the County Counciling authority, there are. . .which I guess is money from federal funds , that is not civil service. Is that correct? Those positions? LUKE: Yes. They are exempt from civil service. And the reason is , one of the exemptions from state law is that all positions in the mayor ' s office are exempt from civil service but should be governed by classifica- tion. BETHEA: Oh, I see. LUKE: Okay. So. . .and Housing right now comes under the mayor' s office. If there ' s a Charter change that establishes Housing as a separate agency under here. . . under the Charter, then that exemption would not apply. BETHEA: I understand. Are there other questions of Mr. Luke? GREENWELL: (Inaudible) classification set the salary level of the secretaries that come in. . .because the mayor comes in, and he wants to bring his own secretary with him (inaudible) . He has to. . . she comes in without any civil service (inaudible) . Does she start at the bottom? LUKE: Okay. The. . .he can bring anyone in that he 371